This is incidental to the topic of the thread, but to address why Manifold 
exists when there's already core.async, there's a write-up of the rationale 
linked in the readme: http://aleph.io/manifold/rationale.html.

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 6:50:34 AM UTC-5, qsys wrote:
>
> Depends on what you want... what I really like is the easy modularity: 
> deploy new 'verticles' somewhere in your network, and they're just all 
> connected through a the eventbus. I make a 'new' module, I put it somewhere 
> and it's automatically picked up by the appication and I can communicate 
> with it using that event bus. Is there something similar in clojure, or can 
> I achieve something similar in clojure? I checked 
> - catacumba: web toolkit, not what I'm after
> - sente: is about the web
> - aleph: comes closer: does have tcp-servers, but no autodiscovery, and 
> well, no 'event bus' (a kind of wrapper around netty etc).
> - manifold: I don't really see the added value, having core.async - but I 
> may fail to see something important here
> - pomegranate: is possibly very interesting in adding new modules... not 
> for removing 'old versions' of a module.
> - pedestal: have to have a deeper look into it, but so far, I have a 
> feeling it's more about web than 'intra-program' communication
>
> So, so far, I don't see how to implement something like the vert.x event 
> bus, with autodiscovery, in clojure (although I would love to see something 
> like it), expanding to the browser. I don't mind (and prefer) composing it 
> using different libraries, but I feel to see how to have this functionality 
> in clojure (now, I wrap the vertx eventbus in my clojure programs), and 
> since I already load vertx for the eventbus, I use it as web server as 
> well, if I need one... So well, if someone has an idea, it might be a nice 
> project I'd love to work on :).
>
> thx, qsys
>
> Op zondag 3 januari 2016 22:25:04 UTC+1 schreef tbc++:
>>
>> I've done some evaluations of Vert.x in the past and was rather 
>> underwhelmed. What is it that you are trying to accomplish? Stuff like 
>> Pedestal offers async web services, but without the complexity of an 
>> traditional evented server. So perhaps if we had a better idea of your 
>> requirements we could be a bit more helpful.
>>
>> So I'd say, look into Pedestal and then define what you need that it 
>> cannot do. Same for other toolkits like ring and httpkit. 
>>
>> Timothy
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:59 PM, adrians <nma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It used to be that Vert.x 2.x had integration for Clojure, but version 
>>> 3.x hasn't added it yet. Has anyone used this version through the Java API 
>>> and if so, how painful was it? Is Reactor <http://projectreactor.io/>any 
>>> better in that respect? What are people using when they want this kind of 
>>> back end?
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