Geoff: Just to verify your experience, I tried installing Leiningen on a Windows 7 machine I had handy.
When you say "Dug around the git site and found a recent .bat file that's supposed to work with the latest Leiningen 2. Again, the shell flashed and crashed." It sounds like you double-clicked on the .bat file in a Windows Explorer window. I get the same result you do if I tried that, but I have to admit that before seeing your message I never have double-clicked on a .bat file before. I have always created a cmd window and entered the name of the .bat file at the CLI. If you do that, you get an error message, but it is more informative: C:\Users\Fingerhut>bin\lein C:\Users\Fingerhut\.lein\self-installs\leiningen-2.5.0-standalone.jar can not be found. You can try running "lein self-install" or change LEIN_JAR environment variable or edit lein.bat to set appropriate LEIN_JAR path. C:\Users\Fingerhut>bin\lein self-install Downloading Leiningen now... 'wget' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Failed to download https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/releases/download/2.5.0/leiningen-2.5.0-standalone.jar I agree that is not a successful install, but it certainly leads you to look for installing 'wget' as the next step. Perhaps a message in the Leiningen instructions like "Always run lein.bat from a Windows cmd window, not by opening it in Windows Explorer." plus a step indicating to install wget first, with a link for a Windows installer for wget, would have helped you out? Andy On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Geoff Caplan <ghcap...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Andy > > Thanks for the moderate and reasoned response! > > I've worked on Open Source projects myself and realise the realities. But > this is a big project, and ignoring the needs of new Windows users is > surely hurting it significantly? If this was prioritised, I suspect someone > could be found to do this. Have you looked? As I keep saying, Haskell seems > to have prioritised this, and make getting started easy for Windows, Mac > and Linux. > > At the very least, some clear and up-to-date instructions on the Getting > Started page and Leningen homepage would be good start. Simply assuming > that Windows users will be able to figure out all these steps while working > in the dark is surely unrealistic? Linking to a broken install programme, > and offering a .bat that uses wget without explaining how to get it working > on Windows is seriously unhelpful, I would suggest... > > > > On Saturday, 25 October 2014 15:49:21 UTC+1, Andy Fingerhut wrote: >> >> Geoff: >> >> I hesitated before replying, because I was concerned that anything I >> could say other than "we'll get right on that" will sound at best like an >> excuse, or at its worst like a dismissal. The tone I am hoping to achieve >> here is a neutral factual explanation. Please try to read it that way. I >> may also be leaving out some relevant facts due to my ignorance. If so, >> hopefully someone else will add more facts to the conversation. >> >> Put yourself in the shoes of someone who maintains Clojure or Leiningen. >> You don't personally use Windows for your development, and have no interest >> in learning how to create a Windows installer. You also don't have an >> interest in paying someone to create one. You are certainly open to the >> possibility of someone else creating one, and linking to their results if >> they produce something useful. >> >> One or a few people do, but there are problems with them, or they install >> the most recent version available at the time, but new Clojure/Leiningen >> versions are released later. Those people decide it isn't in their >> interest to improve/update them. It is a (nearly) thankless job, and other >> things are higher on their priority list. >> >> I think that is where we are. >> >> Andy (who has no interest in learning how to create a Windows installer) >> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Geoff Caplan <ghca...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the tips, Jony - I've finally made it. >>> >>> Here's the contrast between setting up Haskell and setting up Clojure: >>> >>> *HASKELL* >>> >>> 1) Go to the homepage and download the Haskell Platform as an .exe >>> 2) Install and use >>> >>> *CLOJURE* >>> >>> 1) Go to the homepage and discover I have to go to the Leiningen site >>> 2) Go the Leiningen site and get directed to the leiningen-win-installer >>> site >>> 3) Download the win-installer and discover that it's targeting an >>> outdated version of Leiningen, which is academic as it doesn't work anyway >>> 4) Go back to the Leiningen site and download the .bat file >>> 5) Discover that it assumes you have wget >>> 6) Find a Windows version of wget and put it in the path >>> 7) Finally get self-install to run >>> >>> No help for any of this on the Clojure or the Leiningen site. It's >>> relatively straightforward once you know what to do, but it's far from >>> straightforward to figure it out. >>> >>> Given that Windows owns almost 90% of the desktop the community must be >>> haemorrhaging >>> potential members by placing so many obstacles in the path of new users. >>> Millions of LAMP developers are used to coding on Windows and deploying to >>> *nix. Given that one of the JVM's main selling points is its cross-platform >>> capabilities, it just doesn't make sense that the community seems so >>> *nix-centric. >>> >>> If you want to promote adoption, surely you should emulate the Haskell >>> example and offer an up-to-date, community supported .exe install that >>> actually works? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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