Hi Geoff,

What path from clojure.org led you to believe that leiningen was necessary
to run Clojure?  I would be happy to fix the docs.

The instructions at http://clojure.org/getting_started should have you up
and running with Clojure on Windows in no time.

Stu

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Geoff Caplan <ghcap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips, Jony - I've finally made it.
>
> Here's the contrast between setting up Haskell and setting up Clojure:
>
> *HASKELL*
>
> 1) Go to the homepage and download the Haskell Platform as an .exe
> 2) Install and use
>
> *CLOJURE*
>
> 1) Go to the homepage and discover I have to go to the Leiningen site
> 2) Go the Leiningen site and get directed to the leiningen-win-installer
> site
> 3) Download the win-installer and discover that it's targeting an outdated
> version of Leiningen, which is academic as it doesn't work anyway
> 4) Go back to the Leiningen site and download the .bat file
> 5) Discover that it assumes you have wget
> 6) Find a Windows version of wget and put it in the path
> 7) Finally get self-install to run
>
> No help for any of this on the Clojure or the Leiningen site. It's
> relatively straightforward once you know what to do, but it's far from
> straightforward to figure it out.
>
> Given that Windows owns almost 90% of the desktop the community must be 
> haemorrhaging
> potential members by placing so many obstacles in the path of new users.
> Millions of LAMP developers are used to coding on Windows and deploying to
> *nix. Given that one of the JVM's main selling points is its cross-platform
> capabilities, it just doesn't make sense that the community seems so
> *nix-centric.
>
> If you want to promote adoption, surely you should emulate the Haskell
> example and offer an up-to-date, community supported .exe install that
> actually works?
>
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