On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Mikera <mike.r.anderson...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 17 April 2014 03:57:56 UTC+8, Mike Haney wrote:
>> The conventional wisdom seems to be that you will end up learning emacs 
>> eventually if you spend any amount of time doing clojure or lisp, so you 
>> might as well learn it from the start.  That is definitely the approach 
>> taken in the braveclojure book, and he may be right, but I have no regrets 
>> starting with lighttable.
> 
> As a counter-example to the "conventional wisdom", I have never really used 
> Emacs and I've being doing Clojure successfully for around 4 years now. I'm 
> sure Emacs is great for those who have taken the time to master it, but it 
> certainly isn't necessary to be productive in Clojure.
> 
> I personally use Counterclockwise - this is mainly because I also do a lot of 
> Java work in Eclipse and it makes the polyglot integration much easier if you 
> aren't switching tools all the time.
> 
> I'm also quite excited about the potential of things like Session or 
> Gorilla-REPL for exploratory / data science work. I like the way that the 
> Clojure ecosystem is developing a lot of innovative, plug-able components and 
> tools that enable different development styles.

A different kind of counter-example: I've used emacs a fair bit in my decades 
of Lisping and now years of Clojuring, but I now too use Counterclockwise.

IMHO emacs has tremendous and beautiful power but unnecessarily awful usability 
characteristics. I hope that some day someone will develop a Clojure 
environment with the former but without the later, possibly driven by emacs 
under the hood.

 -Lee 

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