BTW, if anyone here has decent Python experience and wants to try out Sublime for Clojure development, the plugin I linked to could really be improved by supporting regular expressions... :-)
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On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Greg <g...@kinostudios.com> wrote:
>> 'jumping to a symbol's definition (and back again)? Those didn't seem to be
>> there last time, and I'd struggle to live without them on a project of any
>> size.'
>>
>> Besides paredit, this is absolutely the most important feature for me
>> day-to-day. Nothing will replace emacs unless it has that. The emacs one
>> follows a stack-discipline, which is brilliant, and can even follow into
>> dependency jars.
>
>
> Yes, Sublime Text (both 2 and 3) have the ability to jump to a symbol
> (there's probably a way to switch to the previous view also, not sure what
> the shortcut is for that).
>
> ST3 has a built-in "Go to definition" menu item that ST2 doesn't have. I
> haven't tried that yet with Clojure though because a bunch of awesome ST2
> plugins haven't yet been ported to ST3.
>
> ST2 has an awesome plugin (that just merged a patch I sent in today) called
> Find Function Definition. It's a great hack for implementing "Go to
> definition". To get it to work nicely with clojure, just copy/paste this into
> your User Settings for that plugin:
>
> {
> "definitions":
> [
> // the extra space at the end is important!
> // otherwise foo will match a function def of foo-bar
> "(defn $NAME$ ",
> "(defn- $NAME$ ",
> "(defn ^URL $NAME$ ",
> "(defn ^String $NAME$ ",
> "(defn ^File $NAME$ ",
> "(defmacro $NAME$ ",
> "class $NAME$ ", // java class
> // but sometimes they will put a newline instead of a
> space
> // so if the above fail, try these:
> "(defmacro $NAME$",
> "(defn $NAME$",
> "(defn- $NAME$",
> "(defn ^URL $NAME$",
> "(defn ^String $NAME$",
> "(defn ^File $NAME$",
> // if jumping becomes too slow, comment out the
> following
> "(def $NAME$ ",
> "(defonce $NAME$ ",
> "(declare $NAME$ "
> ]
> }
>
> And then copy/paste this into your Syntax Specific User settings for Clojure
> (open a .clj file, then find that menu item under Preferences > Settings —
> More):
>
> {
> "extensions": ["cljs", "clj", "cljx"],
> "word_separators": "./\\()\"':,.;~@%^&|+=[]{}`~"
> }
>
> That might not be a perfect list of characters that act as word separators in
> Clojure, but it has covered all the cases I've tried so far. Bind whatever
> keyboard shortcut you want to the "go_to_function" command, and then after
> positioning the caret over a function or var name, hit the shortcut. It will
> search through all of files in the navbar on the left (i.e. your project) for
> one of the above strings, replacing $NAME$ with the name of the symbol at the
> caret.
>
> Obviously this won't search within your mavin jar files, so what I've done is
> simply extracted the source out of them for dependencies that I use and
> placed those files within my project in a folder that's ignored by git. Thus,
> "Find Function Definition" now works on just about every symbol I try it on!
> :-)
>
> I might make a blog post about my ST2 Clojure setup if there's any interest
> in that.
>
>> 4. On Sublime Text (ST)
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> Non-free.
>
>
> I'd say it's free for people who don't care about nag prompts. If you don't
> want to support the developer, you can use all the features for as long as
> you like at the cost of having to click "Cancel" at a nag prompt every so
> often.
>
> Cheers!
> Greg
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> On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Gary Trakhman <gary.trakh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 'jumping to a symbol's definition (and back again)? Those didn't seem to be
>> there last time, and I'd struggle to live without them on a project of any
>> size.'
>>
>> Besides paredit, this is absolutely the most important feature for me
>> day-to-day. Nothing will replace emacs unless it has that. The emacs one
>> follows a stack-discipline, which is brilliant, and can even follow into
>> dependency jars.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Korny Sietsma <ko...@sietsma.com> wrote:
>> Indeed - I was using a community-edition intellij setup the other day, and
>> only realised when I went to edit some JavaScript, and found some features
>> missing (like code indenting).
>>
>> We use intellij (mostly) in our team at work, and I use emacs (mostly) at
>> home.
>>
>> My current take on this endless debate:
>>
>> Intellij is ok. For multi-language projects it's probably still the best
>> option - it does a great job with Java, JavaScript, html, css. The clojure
>> support, with the leiningen plugin, works most of the time - with a few
>> hassles:
>> - jump to definition breaks sometimes, especially if you use "use" or
>> "require :all" - for some reason it can understand prefixed namespaces a lot
>> better.
>> - indenting isn't nearly as good as emacs
>> - it doesn't use a long-running repl for tasks like compilation, so you have
>> to wait for the clojure startup a lot; every time you re-run tests for
>> example.
>> - a few language features break their parser - inine bigdecimals for a
>> start, adding "0.01M" tends to break syntax highlighting
>> - you have to use the leiningen plugin to sync up your project dependencies,
>> and manually re-sync when things change
>> - the leiningen plugin breaks if you have more than one clojure module in a
>> project - not a problem for everyone, but very annoying for us!
>>
>> Emacs is powerful, and fast (not sure where the "bloat" comments come from,
>> it takes less than 3 seconds to load on my MacBook Pro, and that's usually
>> once per session, so I don't care much.
>> However, it has a horrible learning curve - I'm past the worst of it, but
>> it's a struggle to learn, and only something you'd do if you are keen. Fine
>> for the solo developer, but not much good for a team, especially in a
>> consulting situation - I can't go to the client company's developers and say
>> "here's this awesome new language to use - oh, and you also need to learn
>> emacs..." :-}
>>
>> Also Emacs sucks for Java development, and isn't nearly as good as Intellij
>> for JavaScript, html, and css. I also miss all the nice things you get from
>> a real gui - graphical diff markings, subtle ui indicators for VCS changes,
>> tooltips that pop up; and mostly I really miss having a tree-view of the
>> project when I'm working in emacs - speedbar is a very very poor replacement!
>>
>> Sublime, last time I tried, had a very nice UI and a great plugin system -
>> but the clojure stuff seemed fairly broken. I couldn't get the repl to work
>> properly; I'm glad to hear it's working now. Does it support autcompletion,
>> and jumping to a symbol's definition (and back again)? Those didn't seem to
>> be there last time, and I'd struggle to live without them on a project of
>> any size.
>>
>> CounterClockwise is nice - I tried it a few months back, and it seemed like
>> a good environment - but Eclipse is ugly and painful to use compared to
>> IntelliJ, and as my team is building a multi-language project, we can't
>> avoid using the non-clojure bits. If I had a pure clojure project, in a
>> team environment, I'd definitely consider it.
>>
>> - Korny
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 July 2013 09:26, Colin Fleming <colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nope, it's perfectly functional as long as all you want is "basic"
>> functionality - Java, XML/XPath/XSLT, Git/SVN, Android, Maven/Ant, Groovy,
>> JUnit/TestNG and of course Clojure if you install La Clojure. If you want
>> any of the Enterprise Java stuff you have to go to the Ultimate edition.
>> Probably the most obviously missing thing is HTML/Javascript support.
>>
>>
>> On 26 July 2013 11:18, Cedric Greevey <cgree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Colin Fleming <colin.mailingl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Laurent is correct - both the IntelliJ community edition and La Clojure are
>> Apache licensed.
>>
>>
>> On 26 July 2013 11:02, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Cedric,
>>
>> >> 1. On IntelliJ
>> >> -----------------
>> >
>> >
>> > Not free software.
>>
>> AFAICT, the "Community Edition" is free software, and all that is
>> required to use Clojure.
>>
>> Huh. That's news to me. The one time I evaluated IntelliJ, there was no sign
>> of this.
>>
>> It isn't severely crippled, though, is it?
>>
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