I agree, we should survey users of existing tools. The thing is, we *are* 
those users. The aforementioned brainstorming session was just what you're 
suggesting. That's what I'm suggesting this mailing list thread be.

For example, I never use Midje's "a => b" outside of a macro. I always wrap 
fact around it like "(fact a => b)". Firstly because it's clearer to skim 
for assertions this way. Secondly it works much better with paredit. Now 
you know how I feel about Midje. If more people chime in with thoughts like 
this, then we'll have pretty good data to start with.

-Steven

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:11:38 PM UTC-5, Brian Marick wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Steven Degutis <sbde...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > I think we all agree that it's extremely important to discuss the SPEC 
> as a community. In fact, since this is a pre-ANN, let's consider this 
> thread the perfect place for such a discussion. 
>
> I suggest that surveying users of the various existing tools for how they 
> use them and what they want is a more important first step than worrying 
> about a data model. 
>
> For example, it would be good to know what parts of Midje that I 
> personally obsess about are in fact unimportant to the typical user. 
>
> Although open source projects (Midje, certainly) are about one's own itch, 
> it also helps to see where the users are scratching. 
>
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> Latest book: /Functional Programming for the Object-Oriented Programmer/ 
> https://leanpub.com/fp-oo 
>
>

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