On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:45:18 PM UTC+1, Marko Topolnik wrote:
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> On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:15:45 PM UTC+1, puzzler wrote:
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>> As I mentioned before, I'm generally happy with Clojure's performance, 
>> but the few times I've had performance problems, I ended up rewriting the 
>> code at least three different ways in order to try to find the magic 
>> combination that would boost performance. 
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> Lately I've leaned towards going full monty the first time out: stop 
> guessing and optimize everything past the entry point to the critical 
> section. It sounds like more work up front, but in the end it's the "smart" 
> approach that results in more total effort.
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>> Fortunately, dropping down to Java is relatively painless.  But I still 
>> wonder whether there might be some benefit to having a "low-level DSL" 
>> within Clojure, a mode that lets you choose to write your code in a way 
>> where the semantics are closer to the underlying platform.
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> Just one feature would make a huge difference: reassignable locals.
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>> I haven't used Clojurescript much, but I get the impression that 
>> Clojurescript is already a step in that direction, with a simpler story 
>> regarding how mutation, arrays, and primitives are translated to the 
>> underlying platform, arguably making it easier to get good performance when 
>> you need it.
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> The gap between Clojure and JavaScript is far less than Java because both 
> are dynamic. I think that plays a big part in why ClojureScript can be more 
> transparent.
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This might be better in the future by utilizing 'invokedynamic' present 
since Java 7. See discussion here: 
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/1mr0m-9XLoo/discussion

Marek

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