yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise. On Friday, 8 February 2013 09:04:43 UTC+11, Jason Lewis wrote: > > `quote` is a feature, not a bug. Its not just for distinguishing between > lists and function calls, its for deferring evaluation. Its also been part > of Lisp since the beginning... IIRC, its in McCarthy's paper that defined > the first lisp. > On Feb 4, 2013 7:58 PM, "Dave Sann" <dave...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> The syntax does complect in one case. >> When you really do want a list as opposed to a function call. hence quote >> and (list ...) >> >> On Tuesday, 5 February 2013 07:06:37 UTC+11, tbc++ wrote: >>> >>> Parens actually don't complect, they have a very very clear meaning. >>> They organize functions and arguments. Let's take one line from your >>> example: >>> >>> filter smaller xs >>> >>> So....is that the python equivalent to which of these? >>> >>> filter(smaller(xs)) >>> filter(smaller, xs) >>> filter(smaller(), xs()) >>> filter(smaller(xs())) >>> >>> I would also assert that Python complects formatting and semantic >>> meaning of the code. I'm quite proficient at Python and even I hate that >>> fact. >>> >>> Timothy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sergey Didenko <sergey....@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> For us as Clojure community it is easy to see how Clojure benefits >>>> from being a Lisp. Homoiconity, extreme conciseness, esoteric look and >>>> feel, etc. >>>> >>>> However it is hard to see from the inside how Clojure as ecosystem >>>> (probably) suffer from being a Lisp. Please don't throw rotten eggs at >>>> me, I mean only the part of Lisp that is ... parentheses. >>>> >>>> I remember a number of people that mention parentheses as obstacles to >>>> the wider Clojure adoption, in the Clojure space - in the Clojure >>>> related discussions, even on this mailing list IIRC. >>>> >>>> But the number of people thinking this way outside the Clojure groups >>>> is even bigger! We probably don't notice it because got immune to this >>>> famous argument "it has too many parentheses" early when diving into >>>> Clojure. >>>> >>>> I suggest there are a big number of people that could gain interest in >>>> clojure if we provide them with parentheses-lite Clojure syntax. For >>>> example we can steal Python way of intending blocks. >>>> >>>> For example the following quicksort implementation >>>> >>>> (defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >>>> (when pivot >>>> (let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >>>> (lazy-cat (qsort (filter smaller xs)) >>>> [pivot] >>>> (qsort (remove smaller xs)))))) >>>> >>>> could be written as >>>> >>>> (set! python-style-op-op true) >>>> >>>> defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >>>> when pivot >>>> let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >>>> lazy-cat >>>> qsort >>>> filter smaller xs >>>> [pivot] >>>> qsort >>>> remove smaller xs >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> Isn't is less complex? >>>> >>>> >>>> P.S. Ok, I must confess, the mention of the C-Word in the last >>>> sentence was just a desperate way to get Rich's attention. >>>> >>>> P.P.S. Actually I would also love to see Clojure community making >>>> video clip "Clojure - Python Style" as a remix for "G... 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