`quote` is a feature, not a bug. Its not just for distinguishing between lists and function calls, its for deferring evaluation. Its also been part of Lisp since the beginning... IIRC, its in McCarthy's paper that defined the first lisp. On Feb 4, 2013 7:58 PM, "Dave Sann" <daves...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The syntax does complect in one case. > When you really do want a list as opposed to a function call. hence quote > and (list ...) > > On Tuesday, 5 February 2013 07:06:37 UTC+11, tbc++ wrote: >> >> Parens actually don't complect, they have a very very clear meaning. They >> organize functions and arguments. Let's take one line from your example: >> >> filter smaller xs >> >> So....is that the python equivalent to which of these? >> >> filter(smaller(xs)) >> filter(smaller, xs) >> filter(smaller(), xs()) >> filter(smaller(xs())) >> >> I would also assert that Python complects formatting and semantic meaning >> of the code. I'm quite proficient at Python and even I hate that fact. >> >> Timothy >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sergey Didenko <sergey....@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> For us as Clojure community it is easy to see how Clojure benefits >>> from being a Lisp. Homoiconity, extreme conciseness, esoteric look and >>> feel, etc. >>> >>> However it is hard to see from the inside how Clojure as ecosystem >>> (probably) suffer from being a Lisp. Please don't throw rotten eggs at >>> me, I mean only the part of Lisp that is ... parentheses. >>> >>> I remember a number of people that mention parentheses as obstacles to >>> the wider Clojure adoption, in the Clojure space - in the Clojure >>> related discussions, even on this mailing list IIRC. >>> >>> But the number of people thinking this way outside the Clojure groups >>> is even bigger! We probably don't notice it because got immune to this >>> famous argument "it has too many parentheses" early when diving into >>> Clojure. >>> >>> I suggest there are a big number of people that could gain interest in >>> clojure if we provide them with parentheses-lite Clojure syntax. For >>> example we can steal Python way of intending blocks. >>> >>> For example the following quicksort implementation >>> >>> (defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >>> (when pivot >>> (let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >>> (lazy-cat (qsort (filter smaller xs)) >>> [pivot] >>> (qsort (remove smaller xs)))))) >>> >>> could be written as >>> >>> (set! python-style-op-op true) >>> >>> defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >>> when pivot >>> let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >>> lazy-cat >>> qsort >>> filter smaller xs >>> [pivot] >>> qsort >>> remove smaller xs >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Isn't is less complex? >>> >>> >>> P.S. Ok, I must confess, the mention of the C-Word in the last >>> sentence was just a desperate way to get Rich's attention. >>> >>> P.P.S. Actually I would also love to see Clojure community making >>> video clip "Clojure - Python Style" as a remix for "G... 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