On Sunday, 2013-01-20 at 14:27 , Michał Marczyk wrote:
> On a separate note, if there are indeed "tons of bugs when it comes to > cross-browser compatibility" in ClojureScript, pointing (as many as > possible of) them out would be extremely helpful, indeed more than > submitting the actual patches. That would also not require going > through the patch submission process. > > Sorry for not being clear I meant browser bugs that clojurescript can be tripped up upon. > > M. > > > On 20 January 2013 23:15, Michał Marczyk <michal.marc...@gmail.com > (mailto:michal.marc...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > Clojure and contrib have long had extremely thorough CI in place, > > including matrix testing with multiple JVM implementations: > > > > http://build.clojure.org/ > > > > Cheers, > > M. > > > > > > On 20 January 2013 22:04, Brandon Bloom <snprbo...@gmail.com > > (mailto:snprbo...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > I think the inflammatory thread subject didn't help... > > > > > > Java and cross-browser CI both sound great. I don't know if Clojure/core > > > already has CI or what, but maybe you should take these ideas over to > > > another thread? Possibly on the Dev mailing list. Because of the > > > intentionally slow pace of Clojure development, I'd suggest one thread per > > > topic (CLJ CI is a different topic than CLJS CI) and one thread at a time. > > > > > > On Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:43:19 PM UTC-8, Irakli Gozalishvili wrote: > > > > > > > > I just wanted to mention that pull request was one of the several notes > > > > I've made, but looks like it's being irritating enough people that it > > > > completely took over this thread. The problem itself is not a JIRA or > > > > that > > > > sending patches is too hard (even though I think it's too much > > > > incidental > > > > complexity :) problem is that in order to fix a bug I've encountered, I > > > > have > > > > to go through a lot of hoops and that's too much for the first sip. > > > > Maybe > > > > less for people doing Java based programs as I still have dark memories > > > > from > > > > amount of configuring I have to do to actually get things running, but > > > > it > > > > definitely is for people that or from other communities and if clojure > > > > is > > > > not ready to accept people from different backgrounds what is the point > > > > of > > > > speaking at jsconf > > > > http://blip.tv/jsconf/jsconf2012-david-nolen-6141386 ? > > > > > > > > Now I think a lot of points have being completely missed here, pull > > > > requests is just a tip of the iceberg, world has moved on from > > > > sending patches to building great tooling like https://travis-ci.org/ > > > > integration testing that verifies code quality of an each checking and > > > > even > > > > those pull requests submitted, which saves a lot of time for both > > > > submitter > > > > and maintainer that otherwise would have to > > > > download patch, apply and run tests. Of course if you're Rich Hickey you > > > > may find bugs in patches without doing all that, but if me sloppy > > > > contributor can detect issues before patch reaches Rich would save his > > > > time > > > > of looking at it. Not to say that I'm sure that even Rich could miss > > > > something and having tooling that makes sure nothing breaks is useful. > > > > It's > > > > actually very surprising to me that project of this size does not has > > > > integration testing in place. > > > > > > > > Now it's not clear which browsers clojurescript is going to work but > > > > regardless of claims it would be great to have facts. So my next step > > > > was to > > > > setup integration tests with http://ci.testling.com/ that is like > > > > travis.ci > > > > but runs your tests in all possible browsers & believe there are tons of > > > > bugs when it comes to cross-browser compatibility. > > > > > > > > So it's not just that some people keep insisting on using pull requests > > > > it's a lot more and maybe it's time for this community to revisit some > > > > decisions. It's just natural process of grows. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > > > Irakli Gozalishvili > > > > Web: http://www.jeditoolkit.com/ > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 2013-01-20 at 09:58 , Anthony Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:33:56 AM UTC-6, Fogus wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make matters worse, Clojure/core consistently avoids discussing these > > > > issues in public > > > > > > > > > > > > I would guess because their position hasn't changed since the last time. > > > > This is only speculation. A page like what Anthony proposes could help, > > > > but > > > > it wouldn't satisfy everyone. Stuart Sierra wrote up something related, > > > > but > > > > it doesn't cover everything discussed here > > > > http://clojure.com/blog/2012/02/17/clojure-governance.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, no, if the answer remains the same it probably won't satisfy > > > > everyone, but at least they'll have an easy way to learn why. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com > > > > (http://googlegroups.com) > > > > > > > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > > > your first post. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > clojure+u...@googlegroups.com (http://googlegroups.com) > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > > (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) > > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > > your > > > first post. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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