+1, I had the same experience as Chris, lot of frustration until I found Emacs-live On Jun 20, 2012 1:54 PM, "Chris Zheng" <zcaud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was using textmate and a repl for the longest time because I was put off > by the intricacies of emacs.. and then I found this: > > https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live > > and the tutorial that recommended it > > > http://www.vijaykiran.com/2012/01/11/web-application-development-with-clojure-part-1/ > > It's great. I'm completely sold on emacs.. On any computer, I install > emacs, install lein, run one command: > > $ git clone https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live ~/emacs.d > > Now I have everything I need to develop in clojure like hinting, > autocomplete and docs. Most importantly, it has a black background and > fluro text by default. NO CUSTOMISATIONS! > > I remember how difficult it was for me as a complete newbie coming into > the language. Thinking in a functional style was hard enough, let alone > trying to get swank working and then frustrating over every aspect of > emacs.... banging my head against the wall would have been more productive. > > It was so frusting because I just wanted something that worked and a bunch > of tutorials that showed me how to get started. Things like autocomplete > and documentation are essential for learning the concepts quickly. Its only > recently that a spate of them has come out for the joe programmer and its > really good to see that happening. > > My 2 cents: > - New users don't want complication. Give them one 'product' to start off > with and then slowly introduce them to more concepts later > > - Videos and Tutorials are a must. Its not about showing off about "look > how short I can make my code man"... Its about helping others see a new way > to think about the problem. The only way to do that besides sitting down > with them is through tutorials. Longer tutorials and demonstrations that > work through a complete problem are more helpful than short ones that are > demonstrating the 'feature.. Hats off in particular to Brian Marick ( > http://vimeo.com/19404746), Chas Emerick ( > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVd4ow-ZcX0), and Phil Hagelburg ( > https://peepcode.com/products/functional-programming-with-clojure) for > taking the time to show the world how they worked through a 'real-world' > problem. > > So basically, if a 'lead clojure evangelist' can either 'officially' or > 'unofficially' recommend ONE emacs setup, along with a bunch of > videos/tutorials that demonstrate how to code and how fast it is to design > and code using the repl. Then that be enough to get people at least > interested. > > Expanding on that idea, If there were a set of peepcode-like 1 to 1.5h > tutorials for clojure and its libraries (an episode on ring, an episode on > agents futures and watches, an episode on incanter, an episode on writing a > dsl, an episode on aleph..., an episode on writing a clojurescript > application and also doing 'play-by-play' videos with top clojure > developers), I'm sure newbies are going to take up the language much faster > because they will have the crutches to allow them to explore the clojure > landscape without worrying about how to go about entering text into > a arcane text-editor. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
