Code would be helpful for sure! Also, it might be time to move this to Clojurians Slack http://clojurians.net/
There is a #beginners channel where volunteers are available to help in a more synchronous fashion which might help get to the bottom of this a bit quicker. On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 10:00 PM Tanya Moldovan <tanya.moldo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey, > > Could you share the code you have now? > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2021, 02:18 Jack Park, <jackp...@topicquests.org> wrote: > >> Cora! >> >> I made those changes. It is still working to the degree it was, with the >> same error >> clojure.lang.LazySeq cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn >> >> >> which, according to the intertubes, means that my buildAndList returns >> (value) instead of value. I tried flatten. No cigar. >> >> Thanks >> Jack >> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:00 PM Cora Sutton <c...@sutton.me> wrote: >> >>> Hello again Jack, >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 6:21 PM Jack Park <jackp...@topicquests.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> (every? eval members) does not appear to work on a list of functions >>>> designed to evaluate to a boolean. >>>> >>> >>> If members is a list of functions then you would do: >>> >>> (every? (fn [member] (member)) members) >>> >>> Showing it work here: >>> >>> (every? (fn [member] (member)) [(constantly true) (constantly true)]) >>> ;; => true >>> (every? (fn [member] (member)) [(constantly true) (constantly false)]) >>> ;; => false >>> >>> >>>> That code is used in a function evaluateAnd >>>> >>>> Two simple tests >>>> (evaluateAnd [true true] --> true >>>> (evaluateAnd [true false] --> nil (why not "false" as the every? >>>> examples show?) >>>> >>> >>> In Clojure things are either "truthy" or "falsey", and the only "false" >>> values are false and nil so returning nil is usually fine. Everything else >>> is "truthy". I wouldn't worry about it returning nil since other things >>> were broken anyways. >>> >>> https://clojure.org/guides/learn/flow#_truth >>> >>> >>>> The specific code for building the list of functions is this >>>> >>>> (def x (atom [])) >>>> (let [result (list (ref SimpleTrue) (ref SimpleFalse))] >>>> (println "BAL1" result ) >>>> (reset! x result) >>>> ) >>>> (println "BAL2" @x ) >>>> >>>> (@x) <<<< returns the atom's value >>>> >>>> And the final println is this >>>> >>>> BAL2 (#object[clojure.lang.Ref 0x335b5620 {:status :ready, :val >>>> #object[ie4clj.Tests$SimpleTrue 0x6eb2384f >>>> ie4clj.Tests$SimpleTrue@6eb2384f]}] >>>> #object[clojure.lang.Ref 0x3c9c0d96 {:status :ready, :val >>>> #object[ie4clj.Tests$SimpleFalse 0x31dadd46 >>>> ie4clj.Tests$SimpleFalse@31dadd46]}]) >>>> >>>> evaluateAnd never saw the result, with this error message >>>> >>>> clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn >>>> >>> >>> Refs are the wrong thing to use here. In fact I'd stay away from atoms >>> and refs unless you have multiple threads that need to mutate the same >>> values. They're just confusing things now, I think. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> The test which fails is this >>>> >>>> (def result (evaluateAnd (buildAndList) )) <<< fails here >>>> (println "bar" result) >>>> (result) >>>> >>>> The googleverse seems to agree that there are extra parens around the >>>> value. Google isn't giving me an obvious way to take that value outside of >>>> its surrounding parens (bal2 above). >>>> Still looking, and hoping that solves the problem. >>>> Maybe there's a way to go back to buildAndList and not return the value >>>> with parens. >>>> >>> >>> I think a key thing to explain is that in Clojure generally you're not >>> making new types of collections. There's this famous-ish saying that >>> Clojure holds to pretty well: >>> >>> "It is better to have 100 functions operate on one data structure than >>> 10 functions on 10 data structures." >>> - Alan Perlis >>> >>> Most functions in the Clojure world operate on a handful of basic data >>> types and structures. This makes it really easy to chain and combine >>> functions to slice and dice data since you don't need to convert between >>> types. >>> >>> I don't think I've ever made a special collection type in Clojure, it's >>> not all that common. So I'd suggest that while you're at this point in your >>> journey you try to stick to the built-in Clojure collection types and use >>> the built-in functions to operate on them. >>> >>> To give you a little direction, instead of a Person object you could >>> make a hashmap like {:first-name "Jack" :last-name "Park"} and pass >>> that around. And then you can make a function that operates on that. >>> >>> (defn full-name >>> [person] >>> (str (get person :first-name) " " (get person :last-name))) >>> >>> And then you could expand that to maybe {:first-name "Jack" :last-name >>> "Park" :people-talked-to-on-mailing-list ["Cora Sutton"]} and then >>> operate on a collection of people like: >>> >>> (defn people-talked-to-on-mailing-list >>> [person all-people] >>> (let [people-to-find (set (get person >>> :people-talked-to-on-mailing-list))] >>> (filter (fn [p] >>> (people-to-find (full-name p)) >>> all-people)) >>> >>> (people-talked-to-on-mailing-list jack all-people) >>> ;; => {:first-name "Cora" :last-name "Sutton" >>> :people-talked-to-on-mailing-list ["Jack Park"]} >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 11:23 AM Cora Sutton <c...@sutton.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jack! >>>>> >>>>> I could be wrong but I think this could just be: (every? eval members) >>>>> >>>>> I see a few things here that seem strange to me so I wanted to share a >>>>> few points that might be helpful (or might not, let me know either way) >>>>> for >>>>> future code. >>>>> >>>>> * So typically you don't want to def or defn within another function >>>>> call since that will define a new value at the top level. >>>>> >>>>> (defn foo [] >>>>> (def bar 1) >>>>> (println (inc bar)) >>>>> >>>>> (foo) >>>>> ;; ^^ calling foo will define bar at the top level >>>>> >>>>> bar >>>>> ;; => 1 >>>>> ;; whoops, didn't mean to have that at the top level like that >>>>> ;; imagine if two different threads called that in parallel ::grimace:: >>>>> >>>>> Instead, you usually want to use the let function: >>>>> https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/let >>>>> >>>>> So in your code you might use this something like: >>>>> >>>>> (let [result (atom true)] >>>>> ....) >>>>> >>>>> The error you're seeing is from the (defn result ...) in your code, >>>>> you're missing the argument vector [] after result -- so it would >>>>> look like (defn result [] (atom true)) -- but you really don't want >>>>> to defn like that, I think. >>>>> >>>>> * To update an atom's value you don't want to assign like that, you >>>>> want to use swap! https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/swap! >>>>> >>>>> (swap! f >>>>> (fn [cur-val new-val] (and cur-val new-val)) >>>>> (eval member)) >>>>> >>>>> * You probably don't want to use an atom here. Atoms are usually for >>>>> data that you intend to have multiple threads accessing. In this case it's >>>>> just a value that changes during a single thread's execution here. >>>>> >>>>> How else could you solve this if not for the very convenient every? >>>>> function? There are a bunch of ways! Here are a few, with things written >>>>> out pretty explicitly so they're more clear. >>>>> >>>>> loop/recur: >>>>> >>>>> (loop [result true >>>>> remaining-members members] >>>>> (let [member (first remaining-members) >>>>> remaining-members (rest members) >>>>> new-result (eval member)] >>>>> (if new-result >>>>> (recur true remaining-members) >>>>> false))) >>>>> >>>>> reduce v1: >>>>> >>>>> (reduce (fn [result member] >>>>> (and result >>>>> (eval member))) >>>>> true >>>>> members) >>>>> >>>>> reduce v2.0, that will now stop iterating once one of the members >>>>> evals to false: >>>>> >>>>> (reduce (fn [_ member] >>>>> (or (eval member) >>>>> (reduced false))) >>>>> true >>>>> members) >>>>> >>>>> My point with sharing these is that in clojure usually the best way to >>>>> solve these problems is to pass new values to the next iteration while >>>>> accumulating a result instead of changing a variable on each iteration. Or >>>>> to use one of these sweet built-in functions. >>>>> >>>>> Does that make sense? >>>>> >>>>> * I thiiiiiiink you might not mean eval but I'm interested in what >>>>> kind of problem you're solving! :) >>>>> >>>>> Hope that helps! >>>>> Cora >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 12:41 PM Jack Park <jackp...@topicquests.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have a class which treats a sequence as a conjunctive list of >>>>>> objects which, when evaluated, return a boolean. It is an attempt to use >>>>>> doseq to walk along that list, evaluating each entry, and anding that >>>>>> result with boolean atom. It fails. A sketch of the code is this - taken >>>>>> from the error message: >>>>>> >>>>>> inside (defn AndList... >>>>>> >>>>>> (reify >>>>>> ie4clj.api.Inferrable >>>>>> (defn evalMembers >>>>>> [members] >>>>>> (defn result (atom true)) >>>>>> (doseq [x members] >>>>>> (result = (and result (eval x)))) >>>>>> (println (clojure.core/deref result)) >>>>>> (result))) - *failed: vector? at: [:fn-tail :arity-1 :params] >>>>>> spec: :clojure.core.specs.alpha/param-list* >>>>>> >>>>>> It could be that my Java background is clouding my use of clojure. >>>>>> Any comments will be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Jack >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>>> with your first post. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/f67cfcd0-8e1e-4780-bc00-f6993979e7afn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/f67cfcd0-8e1e-4780-bc00-f6993979e7afn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>> with your first post. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAMZDCY3BWybiXzgoYaKK958z%2BWqTKf0o_5p9fq-huwutco9onw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAMZDCY3BWybiXzgoYaKK958z%2BWqTKf0o_5p9fq-huwutco9onw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAH6s0fwv-rKrWnXji_r4scaX9_jtAi1CRUWGLLNRj7iZtme4UA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAH6s0fwv-rKrWnXji_r4scaX9_jtAi1CRUWGLLNRj7iZtme4UA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 6:21 PM Jack Park <jackp...@topicquests.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> (every? eval members) does not appear to work on a list of functions >>>> designed to evaluate to a boolean. >>>> >>>> That code is used in a function evaluateAnd >>>> >>>> Two simple tests >>>> (evaluateAnd [true true] --> true >>>> (evaluateAnd [true false] --> nil (why not "false" as the every? >>>> examples show?) >>>> >>>> The specific code for building the list of functions is this >>>> >>>> (def x (atom [])) >>>> (let [result (list (ref SimpleTrue) (ref SimpleFalse))] >>>> (println "BAL1" result ) >>>> (reset! x result) >>>> ) >>>> (println "BAL2" @x ) >>>> >>>> (@x) <<<< returns the atom's value >>>> >>>> And the final println is this >>>> >>>> BAL2 (#object[clojure.lang.Ref 0x335b5620 {:status :ready, :val >>>> #object[ie4clj.Tests$SimpleTrue 0x6eb2384f >>>> ie4clj.Tests$SimpleTrue@6eb2384f]}] >>>> #object[clojure.lang.Ref 0x3c9c0d96 {:status :ready, :val >>>> #object[ie4clj.Tests$SimpleFalse 0x31dadd46 >>>> ie4clj.Tests$SimpleFalse@31dadd46]}]) >>>> >>>> evaluateAnd never saw the result, with this error message >>>> >>>> clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn >>>> >>>> The test which fails is this >>>> >>>> (def result (evaluateAnd (buildAndList) )) <<< fails here >>>> (println "bar" result) >>>> (result) >>>> >>>> The googleverse seems to agree that there are extra parens around the >>>> value. Google isn't giving me an obvious way to take that value outside of >>>> its surrounding parens (bal2 above). >>>> Still looking, and hoping that solves the problem. >>>> Maybe there's a way to go back to buildAndList and not return the value >>>> with parens. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 11:23 AM Cora Sutton <c...@sutton.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jack! >>>>> >>>>> I could be wrong but I think this could just be: (every? eval members) >>>>> >>>>> I see a few things here that seem strange to me so I wanted to share a >>>>> few points that might be helpful (or might not, let me know either way) >>>>> for >>>>> future code. >>>>> >>>>> * So typically you don't want to def or defn within another function >>>>> call since that will define a new value at the top level. >>>>> >>>>> (defn foo [] >>>>> (def bar 1) >>>>> (println (inc bar)) >>>>> >>>>> (foo) >>>>> ;; ^^ calling foo will define bar at the top level >>>>> >>>>> bar >>>>> ;; => 1 >>>>> ;; whoops, didn't mean to have that at the top level like that >>>>> ;; imagine if two different threads called that in parallel ::grimace:: >>>>> >>>>> Instead, you usually want to use the let function: >>>>> https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/let >>>>> >>>>> So in your code you might use this something like: >>>>> >>>>> (let [result (atom true)] >>>>> ....) >>>>> >>>>> The error you're seeing is from the (defn result ...) in your code, >>>>> you're missing the argument vector [] after result -- so it would >>>>> look like (defn result [] (atom true)) -- but you really don't want >>>>> to defn like that, I think. >>>>> >>>>> * To update an atom's value you don't want to assign like that, you >>>>> want to use swap! https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/swap! >>>>> >>>>> (swap! f >>>>> (fn [cur-val new-val] (and cur-val new-val)) >>>>> (eval member)) >>>>> >>>>> * You probably don't want to use an atom here. Atoms are usually for >>>>> data that you intend to have multiple threads accessing. In this case it's >>>>> just a value that changes during a single thread's execution here. >>>>> >>>>> How else could you solve this if not for the very convenient every? >>>>> function? There are a bunch of ways! Here are a few, with things written >>>>> out pretty explicitly so they're more clear. >>>>> >>>>> loop/recur: >>>>> >>>>> (loop [result true >>>>> remaining-members members] >>>>> (let [member (first remaining-members) >>>>> remaining-members (rest members) >>>>> new-result (eval member)] >>>>> (if new-result >>>>> (recur true remaining-members) >>>>> false))) >>>>> >>>>> reduce v1: >>>>> >>>>> (reduce (fn [result member] >>>>> (and result >>>>> (eval member))) >>>>> true >>>>> members) >>>>> >>>>> reduce v2.0, that will now stop iterating once one of the members >>>>> evals to false: >>>>> >>>>> (reduce (fn [_ member] >>>>> (or (eval member) >>>>> (reduced false))) >>>>> true >>>>> members) >>>>> >>>>> My point with sharing these is that in clojure usually the best way to >>>>> solve these problems is to pass new values to the next iteration while >>>>> accumulating a result instead of changing a variable on each iteration. Or >>>>> to use one of these sweet built-in functions. >>>>> >>>>> Does that make sense? >>>>> >>>>> * I thiiiiiiink you might not mean eval but I'm interested in what >>>>> kind of problem you're solving! :) >>>>> >>>>> Hope that helps! >>>>> Cora >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 12:41 PM Jack Park <jackp...@topicquests.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have a class which treats a sequence as a conjunctive list of >>>>>> objects which, when evaluated, return a boolean. It is an attempt to use >>>>>> doseq to walk along that list, evaluating each entry, and anding that >>>>>> result with boolean atom. It fails. A sketch of the code is this - taken >>>>>> from the error message: >>>>>> >>>>>> inside (defn AndList... >>>>>> >>>>>> (reify >>>>>> ie4clj.api.Inferrable >>>>>> (defn evalMembers >>>>>> [members] >>>>>> (defn result (atom true)) >>>>>> (doseq [x members] >>>>>> (result = (and result (eval x)))) >>>>>> (println (clojure.core/deref result)) >>>>>> (result))) - *failed: vector? at: [:fn-tail :arity-1 :params] >>>>>> spec: :clojure.core.specs.alpha/param-list* >>>>>> >>>>>> It could be that my Java background is clouding my use of clojure. >>>>>> Any comments will be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Jack >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>>> with your first post. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/f67cfcd0-8e1e-4780-bc00-f6993979e7afn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/f67cfcd0-8e1e-4780-bc00-f6993979e7afn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - 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