I haven't tried it in windows 10, because I only have NVDA for a screenreader
there.
I do have Jaws for 40 minutes in demo mode, after a reboot, but I haven't yet
installed Chirp in 10, although I just downloaded it.
I don't know how to get NVDA to read and route cursors like I can with Jaws, so
I don't know if even, old Chirp can work in any windows using NVDA, because
I've not ever been able to use Chirp with NVDA.
With Jaws, it requires some experience with using Chirp, which I've done in old
Ubuntu, and with Jaws, I do like alt R, and D for download, and then route Jaws
cursor to PC, and find the port with the Jaws cursor, and route PC to Jaws, and
then repeat all that for radio, make, and then model, and then the okay button,
and the message about experimental driver if I hadn't done the particular radio
before.
Same process with importing and exporting.
There's lots of steps when the screen is not echoed to the location of the
cursor.
I'm just not proficient with NVDA enough to do that sort of thing, NVDA isn't
intuitive to use like Jaws is in my opinion.
But I'm hoping soon to reboot my system soon to have 40 minutes of Jaws to give
the new Chirp a go.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
To: Discussion of CHIRP
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Glenn,
I use MATE and ORCA.
Do you know if the new CHIRP will be accessible in any other operating system?
Thanks,
David N1EA
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 23:52 K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Hi David,
There is only one screenreader for the GUI in Linux, that is orca.
So you can try running just orca
and if it isn't there, you can do the equivalent of:
sudo apt install orca
for your flavor of Linux.
Make sure you don't use the mouse, otherwise it won't be a test of
accessibility.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: David Boucha
To: Discussion of CHIRP
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight
from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp
directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without flatpack
.
Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing it
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Hi,
Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a new computer, and
bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM, because I like it
better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the VM.
Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use flatpak, Blind folks haven't
been able to use it.
So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got to be Ubuntu using an old
Python, and Chirp already installed.
And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people using a screenreader, I
would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have the screenreader
skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in windows.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Novak-Zarate
To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have
thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain
to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if
you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this
point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine,
much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a
technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support
running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a
lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM,
why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest
Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware
and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their
hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE
would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated
hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with
learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into
learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer
media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing
Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable,
and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated
OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything
that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk.
This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
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-------- Original Message --------
On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility,
or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it.
I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a
drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it.
Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on
it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18
and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Lopez
To: Discussion of CHIRP
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer
supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software
is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp
already installed, so that can be implemented.
I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it,
but I don't know if that can be made into a VM.
Glenn
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