Accordimg to certain individuals on this list, going back a few years, 
electronics/computers can be damaged due to an electrical storm, presumably 
very intense activity, even while off. Go look through the archives.

 I knew people back in the 80s that said they could "torque" certain 
frequencies with a cb radio in the vicinity of a car wash and turn the whole 
joint on! Vending machines are/were said to be similaely vulnerable. Such is 
the basis behind emc testing. I should know. A specific component is wrapped 
with wire say, or is placed in front of various antennas, and currents are 
pumped through or frequencies are directed at the item to see if it fails. Or 
fries (very uncommon). Specifications are provided as to what tests need to be 
conducted, literally, or radiated. If the item fails, additional work is 
required to keep the item in spec so that it doesm't fail in the field.

 Which frequencies are present in an EMP I couldn't tell you. But I have to 
believe they delivered with considerable power. I did work like that back in 
the 80s. In general I don't think too much equipment was radiation hardened 
back then. It was believed then the threat would be from a neutron bomb. A high 
altotude emp strike probably wouldn't affect much. But I'd certainly be 
concerned about one in the vicinity of a server farm or a military complex may 
frig up quite a bit. You don't havento knock out everyone's electronics in 
order to frig up a society or crucial portions of it. I'm binging Pikard at the 
moment. Their comms have limited effectiveness because relays (repeaters?) 
don't exist in 2024.
 


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On Monday, April 1st, 2024 at 9:46 PM, Christian Kennedy via cctalk 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 4/1/24 17:42, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
> 
> > Will things like PDAs and tablets, powered off and stored inside steel ammo 
> > boxes survive?
> 
> 
> Yes, as will most contemporary electronics, even without elaborate
> protection.
> 
> The amount of current induced in a device by EMP is a function of the
> number and length of conductors; most modern electronics are unlikely to
> have an issue given relatively short conductor lengths. Automotive
> ECUs, in particular, are unlikely to be affected, as they're equipped
> with seriously clamped lines and generally have been tested in lightning
> simulators (EMP looks like lightning, but EMP has a much faster rise
> time, much higher voltages, and vastly higher currents); likewise the
> commercial electrical grid is likely to be largely unaffected due to
> existing lightning protection. If your device can withstand a nearby
> lightning strike, it's probably going to survive a high altitude EMP event.
> 
> The biggest problem for semiconductor devices is from neutron flux when
> under power, hence weird solutions for military systems where a PN diode
> will be used to trigger a crowbar on the power supply (ionizing
> radiation arrives well in advance of the neutrons). The upshot is that
> warfighting systems will recover, although the same probably can't be
> said for the warfighters.
> 
> Yes, I spent entirely too much time in this space in my misspent youth.
> 
> Note that none of this is to suggest that all electronics will survive,
> but the doom and gloom people associate with high altitude EMP, and
> Carrington events in particular, are generally overblown.
> 
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