On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:34 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
wrote:

> > So, I was an acquaintance of John Draper, rather than a survivor, because
> >> I never work out.
> >> --
> >> Grumpy Ol' Fred                 ci...@xenosoft.com
>
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > Very well then:
> >
> > Survivors of John Draper and Grumpy Ol' Fred
>
> That implies that there are survivors of Grumpy Ol' Fred!
> Have you been talking to my former students?
>

Survivors of John Draper, and Grumpy Ol' Fred

Not sure if that is a bona fide example of the Oxford Comma at work, but
nonetheless I hope it clarifies the matter.


> > To be fair to him, he seems to have mellowed out in his later years.
> And I
> > hate to imagine the abuse he suffered as a child that made him who he
> > became.  He's definitely a special individual, very talented and
> > intellectually gifted, but most likely misunderstood as a boy, and
> probably
> > didn't come from a very loving home environment.
>
> Well, I'm not cute enough for him not to accept a simple "no, thank you".
>
> He has always had some issues with social interactions.  I'm guessing
> Aspergers.  But, other than the tantrum at my office about thinking he
> smelled a cigarette, he's always treated me OK.  Sorry for those who
> weren't.
>

I should make a shirt:

I GOT INVITED  TO
"SHARE MASSAGES"
WITH JOHN DRAPER
BUT FORTUNATELY
ALL I GOT WAS THIS
T-SHIRT.

Sellam

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