So, I was an acquaintance of John Draper, rather than a survivor, because
I never work out.
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Grumpy Ol' Fred                 ci...@xenosoft.com

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Very well then:

Survivors of John Draper and Grumpy Ol' Fred

That implies that there are survivors of Grumpy Ol' Fred!
Have you been talking to my former students?

To be fair to him, he seems to have mellowed out in his later years.  And I
hate to imagine the abuse he suffered as a child that made him who he
became.  He's definitely a special individual, very talented and
intellectually gifted, but most likely misunderstood as a boy, and probably
didn't come from a very loving home environment.

Well, I'm not cute enough for him not to accept a simple "no, thank you".

He has always had some issues with social interactions. I'm guessing Aspergers. But, other than the tantrum at my office about thinking he smelled a cigarette, he's always treated me OK. Sorry for those who weren't.

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Grumpy Ol' Fred                 ci...@xenosoft.com

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