It's such a shame that this technology is no longer manufactured. Of course, with a sufficiently large monitor, I could view a double image cross-eyed or wide-eyed to see 3D, but it's not the same as using 3D technology. You can't see as much at once without 3D glasses, which was always the big advantage that 3D glasses had for me when refining structures. It made for better quality and more rapid structure refinement, as well as better understanding of unusual phenomena that deserved attention. As a side note, I don't think we should rely blindly on software (even AI) to get everything right for us.
I think we've taken a step backwards. If there is a way to revive interest in 3D technologies in the marketplace (such as in engineering?), it should be pursued. Daniel ________ Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. Principal, Himmel Sci Med Com, LLC E-mail: danielmhim...@gmail.com URL : https://himmelscimedcom.com Member, American Medical Writers Association You can also find me at https://www.talusfreelance.com On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 11:37 AM Yong Wang < 00003c4fc05cc53b-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > Quadbuffered stereo still works on Windows 10 (and Linux) with one monitor > as before. The drop of 3Dvision didn’t impact this. What it impacted is > the lack of hardware as manufacturers are no longer making 3D capable > monitors, 3D glasses and emitters. > > > > Best, > > > > Yong > > > > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> *On Behalf Of *Clemens > Grimm > *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2025 5:25 AM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] 3D/Stereoscopic hardware > options in 2025? > > > > Dear All, Nvidia dropped active stereo (3Dvision) in their drivers a few > years ago - which is a shame because it worked great. There is still the > option to send quadbuffered stereo output to two monitors. It seems that > Nvidia then leaves it > > Dear All, > > > > Nvidia dropped active stereo (3Dvision) in their drivers a few years ago - > which is a shame because it worked great. There is still the option to send > quadbuffered stereo output to two monitors. It seems that Nvidia then > leaves it up to you how to pass the two images to your two eyes. > > > > We have a solution sold as "Pluraview" (3d-pluraview.com), which is not > really cheap compared to the old active displays. It actually has some > advantages in terms of resolution and it is absolutely flicker-free. > Setting up the driver under Linux was a pain, and at the end also required > switching off of any energy and screen saver. Setup on Win 10 was > way easier, we haven't tried Win 11 so far. > > > > Best, > > Clemens > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> im Auftrag von > Goldman, Adrian <adrian.gold...@helsinki.fi> > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 27. Februar 2025 10:40 > *An:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Betreff:* [EXT] Re: [ccp4bb] 3D/Stereoscopic hardware options in 2025? > > > > I went very old school (as in 1970s—1980s) and use side by side either > with mirror glasses that I put on my face or indeed by making a double > mirror system like we had at Yale with the ps2. Rather than having a finely > machined device with anodised black aluminium and glass mirrors, I used > cardboard and Mylar. It also works :) > > > > Adrian > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 27 Feb 2025, at 10:49, Pedro Matias <mat...@itqb.unl.pt> wrote: > > > > Hi Wulf, > > We never got our NVIDIA 3D to work with Windows 10, only with Windows 7. > The Windows advantage is that the graphics cards are much cheaper than > those for Linux. > > I believe there is a NVIDIA 3D Vision standalone driver that may work in > Windows 11. > > Alternatively, my suggestion would be to use a PC disconnected from the > internal institute network and keep running Windows 10 on it. File transfer > would be a bit of an hassle but workable. > > Good luck & best regards, > > Pedro > > On 27/02/2025 07:05, Blankenfeldt, Wulf wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I have just been shocked by our IT department’s announcement that they > will force us into migration to Win11 very soon. I know I am a dinosaur, > but I still use and love my old nvidia Quadro/Asus/shutter glasses combi > (over 10 years old) for hardware stereo viewing of protein structures under > Win10. I am afraid that this will simply not work anymore once I have been > upgraded, since nvdia has disabled hardware stereo in its drivers long time > ago. > > > > Personally, I cannot understand how modern structural biology can live > without it and I would love to still be able view structures in “real” 3D. > > > > I know that the ccp4 community is graphics- and tech-savvy, I am therefore > asking if you know of any modern day and established/sustainable hardware > solution for 3D viewing in our favorite programs (Coot, PyMol, …). > > > > > > Thank you in advance for your advice, > > > > > > Wulf > > > > > > *Prof. Wulf Blankenfeldt* > Struktur und Funktion der Proteine (SFPR) > > HZI - Helmholtz-Zentrum für Infektionsforschung GmbH > > SCIENCE CAMPUS Braunschweig-Süd > Inhoffenstraße 7, 38124 Braunschweig > Tel. +49 5316181-7000 > wulf.blankenfe...@helmholtz-hzi.de > www.helmholtz-hzi.de > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.helmholtz-hzi.de__;!!A_kSX19cfVk!H7rYimS0EKarLmnIo4Cg-sfoBdfnI9V09h4uhSfwyDFKrS658NRJ8xs_0ZmxXlOu_-yl0-nNpbuz2zmrWhgKbyScZB-teS2BF3_M$> > > > <Helmholtz_HZI_Logo_RGB_DE_nebeneinander_beschnitt2_1acc279d-0673-4590-b45d-24938b462e30.jpg> > > > ------------------------------ > > > Helmholtz-Zentrum für Infektionsforschung GmbH | Inhoffenstraße 7 | 38124 > Braunschweig | www.helmholtz-hzi.de > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.helmholtz-hzi.de__;!!A_kSX19cfVk!H7rYimS0EKarLmnIo4Cg-sfoBdfnI9V09h4uhSfwyDFKrS658NRJ8xs_0ZmxXlOu_-yl0-nNpbuz2zmrWhgKbyScZB-teS2BF3_M$> > > Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrates: Frau MinDir'in Prof. Dr. Veronika von > Messling, Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung > Stellvertreter: MinDirig Rüdiger Eichel, Niedersächsisches Ministerium für > Wissenschaft und Kultur > Wissenschaftlicher Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Josef Penninger - 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