> Sorry but I do not share your elitist vision. Cakephp is making its best
> to reach new markets and to be used by the masses.
> Also I am rather considering the question of easing the processes in a
> team work, where we have various peoples with various skills.

Egalitarianism for it's own sake is lame and misguided: if you're
sitting in a classroom, you don't want to be sitting next to people
who aren't just as interested in learning as you are, because it
diminshes the experience.  Everyones' definition of what makes a
"good" coder is going to be a little different, and everyone's a n00b
at everything at some point, but what it comes down to is an interest
in improvement.  Some programmers show up at work, do their thing, and
go home, never really thinking about their work beyond what's at the
surface.  Other programmers, however, actively work to improve their
ability to write code, think about the projects they work on at a
higher level, and possibly most importantly, seek to better understand
*why* they code the way they code.  Why is always the most important
question; it is the key to understanding, and this is the critical
differentiating factor.  So in that sense, Mariano is correct: we
don't want to limit ourselves to the "best" coders, but we
*definitely* want to limit ourselves to those who try to be.  See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

> Most of our projects are starting small and growing later. We have a lot
> of legacy apps to manage and what we are producing will be managed by
> other peoples. We need to make the work easy for them, not require them
> to be super-geniouses to understand the mess we have produced.

Yet another reason to choose Cake over and overblown CMS; thank you
for making my point.

> Sorry but I wont convince my managers by using your joda talk. :-)

Then your managers must think very little of you and your work if you
cannot even be trusted to choose your own tools.


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