Nate, you said it. I always appreciate your candidness. You're right. There's plenty out there to learn Cake. I'm doing pretty good with it. Besides, Cake is still fairly early in development. I mean, 1.1 is documented enough to get you off your feet for sure. I didn't even know what MVC was before I started, but the manual helped that. Also, that guy saying he's been developing apps since 1987. That's lame. Do you remember apps in 1987? It's a whole new ballgame now.
On Apr 9, 8:16 pm, "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 9, 9:43 pm, "laboca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I just would like to say that I totally agree with "a good sample > > app"... CMS would be a real world example. > > Great, then go write one. But whether you write one or not, for the > love of God, please just quit talking about it. > > > I'm a developer of desktop apps since 1987 (C++,C#,ASM,VB,Delphi,. > > for windows, unix,..) > > ...That's totally relevant... I almost care. > > >From time to time I used PHP for some small projects... So I'm always > > > looking for some good PHP framework. > > > CakePHP seems to be a good choice... but there are some points I > > really don't understand > > "If you understand, things are as they are. If you do not understand, > things are as they are." > - Chinese Proverb > > > - the CakePHP Website(s) is/are an major example for horrible design > > (don't want to say corporate design,... ) > > Well, that's your opinion. Again, not really relevant; I don't really > care. > > > - a lot of peaces of code and domains are hacked together.. > > - So, the main menu of CakePHP is called Google > > Okay, I'm not even completely sure what that means. > > > so, everybody who is new to Cake will have a lot of problems where to > > find the stuff he needs to become familiar with cake. > > Oh, I'm sorry, I guess "right in front of your face" is too hard for > you. > > > even the wiki was switched off... (we don't need documentation..(?)) > > No, we do need documentation, and we have it. The problem with the > wiki is that for as much good, useful content written by smart people > that there was, there was an equal amount of misleading information > written by people like you who didn't / don't have a clue as to what > they're talking about, which ended up confusing more people than it > helped. > > > - rest of documentation I found is awful, "organized=null" > > - a lot of code snippets... > > Again, the idea that it is awful is your opinion, which we've already > established that I don't care about. Neither should anyone else. > > > Ok,.. so let's have a look if we can find some tutorials. (Learn) > > The outdated bakery tutorial... yes that makes sense... > > The other tutorials in screencast don't make sense at all. (At least > > not for developers who already know what's an editor) > > > Next: goto IBM! They have an idea what's inside of cake... > > Yup, they do. We worked with some authors who were paid by IBM to > write articles which we reviewed. It's called partnering. > > > Cake Bookstore... what's this? Nedd some cash from Amazon? > > Uh, no we're an Open Source project, we do this in the hopes that > people won't donate.... uh, hello? > > > Read: ahh... the Google listing...:-) > > and so on... > > Why use CakePHP?... because they have an Active, friendly community, > > and please don't forget to donate... > > Where to donate I found before I first could have a look what's inside > > cake.... > > Again, I'm sorry that you have a problem seeing things right in front > of you. > > > .. the group can be found at google... (that's real corporate > > design!.. always look at different places to find what you are looking > > for..) > > > So, as an developer, I would now search for some clean running sample > > apps. > > But there are none of them... > > Um, CakeForge. Oh, right, I forgot, you have that one problem. > > > To all the "cake-gurus" who are saying: NOO, we don't need a killa > > app, Cake is just for developers!!! > > You really have no idea what you are talking about... > > Um... pot, kettle? > > > What do you think what people (developers) are doing?? > > They build websites and web based applications! > > Take one of the books offered in CakePHP and read....! > > You have some kind of interaction by users, databases, calculations... > > and at least dynamic content presented to the output. > > That's more than 90% of what applications do... and so that's what > > developers do with PHP. > > Yup, we have all kinds of good examples of that stuff already. > > > Yes, and even a cms is doing most kind of this stuff. Believe it... > > (take a look at CakePHP: othAuth, Upload, Pagination, ..) > > Don't try to tell that you are just developing stuff like streaming > > realtime data processing by PHP.... > > > Ok, you still think CakepPHP website ist a glance of usability and > > information? > > The documentation is perfect? > > The tutorials are "state of the art"? > > .. and there is no need of a good sample application? > > > C'mon... ya can't be blind. > > Nope, we're not blind, but also not stupid (and most of us can form > coherent English sentences). > > > ... take a look at the CakePHP Menue (Google)... and read the lines > > why people don't use CakePHP.... > > (it takes too much time ... not reading, searching all the CakePHP > > docs!) > > Developing is an act of going straight forward and not hassle > > around ... > > Yup, that's why we're here. > > > If CakePHP would be a company developing websites/applications... and > > you would look at the website to find out what they offer.... > > Would you place an order? (organized=null, organized:structured==null, > > places=many,... that's the company I like..!) > > K, I guess that's an.... interesting... analogy. > > > I think there is a lot to do to become "CakePHP as best > > Framework"..... at the moment is looks for developers new to cake > > like "CakePHP the best Patchwork"... > > > I'm sure a lot of you will say some very bad words about what I wrote. > > Well, I suppose there are no more bad words than what you wrote about > the project, and by extension, the people who work on it. > > > But before you shout out loud... think of what I wrote. > > K thought about it. > > > just my 2 cents worth > > And you can keep them. > > Gay Perry: "Look up idiot in the dictionary. You know what > you'll find?" > Harry Lockhart: "A picture of me?" > Gay Perry: "No! The definition of idiot. 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