On Apr 9, 9:43 pm, "laboca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just would like to say that I totally agree with "a good sample
> app"... CMS would be a real world example.
Great, then go write one. But whether you write one or not, for the
love of God, please just quit talking about it.
> I'm a developer of desktop apps since 1987 (C++,C#,ASM,VB,Delphi,.
> for windows, unix,..)
...That's totally relevant... I almost care.
>From time to time I used PHP for some small projects... So I'm always
>
> looking for some good PHP framework.
>
> CakePHP seems to be a good choice... but there are some points I
> really don't understand
"If you understand, things are as they are. If you do not understand,
things are as they are."
- Chinese Proverb
> - the CakePHP Website(s) is/are an major example for horrible design
> (don't want to say corporate design,... )
Well, that's your opinion. Again, not really relevant; I don't really
care.
> - a lot of peaces of code and domains are hacked together..
> - So, the main menu of CakePHP is called Google
Okay, I'm not even completely sure what that means.
> so, everybody who is new to Cake will have a lot of problems where to
> find the stuff he needs to become familiar with cake.
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess "right in front of your face" is too hard for
you.
> even the wiki was switched off... (we don't need documentation..(?))
No, we do need documentation, and we have it. The problem with the
wiki is that for as much good, useful content written by smart people
that there was, there was an equal amount of misleading information
written by people like you who didn't / don't have a clue as to what
they're talking about, which ended up confusing more people than it
helped.
> - rest of documentation I found is awful, "organized=null"
> - a lot of code snippets...
Again, the idea that it is awful is your opinion, which we've already
established that I don't care about. Neither should anyone else.
> Ok,.. so let's have a look if we can find some tutorials. (Learn)
> The outdated bakery tutorial... yes that makes sense...
> The other tutorials in screencast don't make sense at all. (At least
> not for developers who already know what's an editor)
>
> Next: goto IBM! They have an idea what's inside of cake...
Yup, they do. We worked with some authors who were paid by IBM to
write articles which we reviewed. It's called partnering.
> Cake Bookstore... what's this? Nedd some cash from Amazon?
Uh, no we're an Open Source project, we do this in the hopes that
people won't donate.... uh, hello?
> Read: ahh... the Google listing...:-)
> and so on...
> Why use CakePHP?... because they have an Active, friendly community,
> and please don't forget to donate...
> Where to donate I found before I first could have a look what's inside
> cake....
Again, I'm sorry that you have a problem seeing things right in front
of you.
> .. the group can be found at google... (that's real corporate
> design!.. always look at different places to find what you are looking
> for..)
>
> So, as an developer, I would now search for some clean running sample
> apps.
> But there are none of them...
Um, CakeForge. Oh, right, I forgot, you have that one problem.
> To all the "cake-gurus" who are saying: NOO, we don't need a killa
> app, Cake is just for developers!!!
> You really have no idea what you are talking about...
Um... pot, kettle?
> What do you think what people (developers) are doing??
> They build websites and web based applications!
> Take one of the books offered in CakePHP and read....!
> You have some kind of interaction by users, databases, calculations...
> and at least dynamic content presented to the output.
> That's more than 90% of what applications do... and so that's what
> developers do with PHP.
Yup, we have all kinds of good examples of that stuff already.
> Yes, and even a cms is doing most kind of this stuff. Believe it...
> (take a look at CakePHP: othAuth, Upload, Pagination, ..)
> Don't try to tell that you are just developing stuff like streaming
> realtime data processing by PHP....
>
> Ok, you still think CakepPHP website ist a glance of usability and
> information?
> The documentation is perfect?
> The tutorials are "state of the art"?
> .. and there is no need of a good sample application?
>
> C'mon... ya can't be blind.
Nope, we're not blind, but also not stupid (and most of us can form
coherent English sentences).
> ... take a look at the CakePHP Menue (Google)... and read the lines
> why people don't use CakePHP....
> (it takes too much time ... not reading, searching all the CakePHP
> docs!)
> Developing is an act of going straight forward and not hassle
> around ...
Yup, that's why we're here.
> If CakePHP would be a company developing websites/applications... and
> you would look at the website to find out what they offer....
> Would you place an order? (organized=null, organized:structured==null,
> places=many,... that's the company I like..!)
K, I guess that's an.... interesting... analogy.
> I think there is a lot to do to become "CakePHP as best
> Framework"..... at the moment is looks for developers new to cake
> like "CakePHP the best Patchwork"...
>
> I'm sure a lot of you will say some very bad words about what I wrote.
Well, I suppose there are no more bad words than what you wrote about
the project, and by extension, the people who work on it.
> But before you shout out loud... think of what I wrote.
K thought about it.
> just my 2 cents worth
And you can keep them.
Gay Perry: "Look up idiot in the dictionary. You know what
you'll find?"
Harry Lockhart: "A picture of me?"
Gay Perry: "No! The definition of idiot. Which you f*****g
are!"
- Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang (2005)
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