My apology if I offended anyone.  I have written and rewritten my share 
of bad code. I have probably even posted a few examples of my bad code 
in this group. I was just trying to see if this was the right forum for 
an architecture discussion.
Mike - I saw your apology and it was not needed. It was probably my 
fault for trying to make a joke or bad humor that did not play well in a 
posting. I have been know to step in it and put my foot in my mouth from 
time to time.  Sorry.

You and John make an important point about the data. I agree and 
understand your point.  But I am obviously not asking the question 
right, so let me rethink this.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Bill

On 6/6/2012 10:50 AM, Michael Gaiser [via CakePHP] wrote:
> Bill, you might want to avoid insulting those users who ask "shitty 
> code questions" while in the same post asking for their help...
>
> You are looking for hangups in cakephp where your database setup will 
> differ due to limitations with the framework. To this point, I have 
> only experienced a direct relationship between the quality of your 
> database setup and your final product and the ease at which you can 
> bring it to completion. Cake offers many different ways to handle the 
> same situation, be it auto-magic or manual. The quote at the end of 
> John's link <http://lwn.net/Articles/193245/> was in fact correct and 
> should point you towards the idea that if you want the most optimal 
> use of your time, spend it on your data architecture because once that 
> is solid, cake can handle the rest.
>
> While I am sure that everyone here has their own opinions on what 
> constitutes a good database setup, it might also not be the proper 
> forum for such a discussion to the degree you are looking for as a 
> MySQL forum might get you closer to your goal.
>
> On the other hand, if you have some shitty code questions to ask, we 
> would be happy to help.
>
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