Bill, you might want to avoid insulting those users who ask "shitty code
questions" while in the same post asking for their help...

You are looking for hangups in cakephp where your database setup will
differ due to limitations with the framework. To this point, I have only
experienced a direct relationship between the quality of your database
setup and your final product and the ease at which you can bring it to
completion. Cake offers many different ways to handle the same situation,
be it auto-magic or manual. The quote at the end of John's
link<http://lwn.net/Articles/193245/>was in fact correct and should
point you towards the idea that if you want
the most optimal use of your time, spend it on your data architecture
because once that is solid, cake can handle the rest.

While I am sure that everyone here has their own opinions on what
constitutes a good database setup, it might also not be the proper forum
for such a discussion to the degree you are looking for as a MySQL forum
might get you closer to your goal.

On the other hand, if you have some shitty code questions to ask, we would
be happy to help.

~Michael

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