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From: "Alex Gogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: Bitter Fruit



>I must admit this is a very moving and thought provoking. It makes you
wonder what truly goes through >the minds of the leaders knowing that over
2,000 of their own have been killed and countless thousands >of other have
been killed. With hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people
been directly effect >and traumatised by their senseless death.

I wonder how many of the folks who debate what we should have and should do
in Iraq are really interested in understand the viewpoint of others.  I
made my opinion known here from before the war: I was opposed to the war
because I didn't believe the administration was capable of handling post
war Iraq.

I believe that, unfortunately, I underestimated the incompetence of this
administration.  But, at the same time, I think I underestimated the
political skill of the people of Iraq. Looking at the political maneuvering
during the last few months, I have been amazed by how the parties involved
are working to a political solution to a problem that has lasted for at
least a century.

I'm guessing that our blundering over the last 2.5 years will be too much
to overcome, and our invasion of Iraq will be seen as a failure in history.
Indeed, I see it as a true tragedy...in the classical sense (i.e. in the
sense that the deaths from the tsunami were not tragic).  If the Bush
Administration were not so blinded by their own optimism, they actually
might have succeeded.

I would be interested in a real discussion that allows folks with different
views to express them in discussable terms....not terms that presupposes a
moral lack in folks with different viewpoints.  In particular, I'm
interested in the unspoken presuppositions of folks with different
viewpoints.

Dan M.


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