David Hobby wrote:
>
>> The current system of overpowerful nation states and weak UNO and weak
>> cities is skewed, but I can't see a viable alternative.
>
>       No, the majority does not have the right to impose its
> rules on minorities.  That's one of the rules the "Organization
> of Democratic States" (ODS) will impose as it works its way around
> the globe overthrowing dictators...
>
:-)

But that is _always_ the danger with democracies. And this danger is as old as
Plato, who used this argument to defend the aristocracy.

>       O.K., we have to back up a bit from that, or there aren't
> any countries in my mythical ODS at all!  For instance, the USA is
> rare among western democracies for having separation of church and
> state, but even it doesn't enforce it well. 
>
???

AFAIK, every other western nation has it too. Brazil certainly has it,
except that the Roman Catholic Church has too much power because
it's a rich organization.

> We might manage to
> get together enough countries for the ODS if we set the bar lower,
> insisting that the majority could not make private, consensual
> behavior of the minorities illegal.  : )  (But don't wear those
> headscarves to school!)
>
Headscarves? Is this the chador?

>       As for the other issue, it's certainly not fair for
> a country to send a bunch of its people into another country,
> have them become the majority there, and then make that region
> rejoin their native country.  (Yes, I'm a Texan...)  
>
Most territorial growth of Brazil during the XIX century was with
this system. The biggest catch was Acre, who became an independent
country shortly before joining Brazil. [and now Acre is dangerously close
to becoming a narcocracy :-/ ]

>       A good rule might be that only people who were born in
> a place could vote on which country it would join.
>
But this is what happened to Kosovo, who was a serbian zone,
until the albanians grew in number and began oppressing them.

Alberto Monteiro

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