----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom


> --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hope this helps to clarify things.
> >
> > Dan M.
>
> I think it does - I'm not sure that we disagree at
> all.  If the decrease in the demand for labor is
> uniform across all industrialized countries, then it
> may be reasonable to assume it as a given (I don't
> know that Borjas does).

I haven't seen anything that indicates that jobs have been growing faster
in Germany than here over the last 20 years.

One other interesting point.  Even with the better balance (as far as
workers are concerned) between demand and supply of labor in Germany, their
unemployment rate is higher.  I'm sure Borjas considers this, I'd like to
see how he figures it in.  Maybe I need to buy the book. :-)

> I'm not sure, though, that your numbers on labor
> supply increase include illegals - if they don't, then
> that doesn't take into account a huge factor, both
> because of the huge # of illegals and because they
> have a larger impact than their pure numbers would imply.

My guess is that its a mixed bag.  Some illegals hold legal jobs with fake
SS numbers, others are paid below minimum wage in cash, with no reporting
to the Feds.  I'll try to work those numbers in after I return from
visiting my folks this weekend.

Dan M.

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