On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 02:33:09AM -0000, iaamoac wrote:

> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
> Happiness."

I am familiar with the DoI, John. That is not the same thing as saying,
"it is self-evident that god exists". Haven't you noticed people quite
frequently refer to unnamed higher powers casually, without attributing
deep meaning to the reference? I'd like to see something more direct.

> > That is why they created system with separation of church and state.
>
> They created no such thing.  They simply prohibited the establishment
> of a State religion.

Semantics. Not worth arguing about.

> But obviously, the Founder's didn't consider the existence of God to  
> be self-evident... :)                                                 

I'd like to see some direct and unambiguous quotes, if you can find it.

I didn't feel like cleaning up your majorly mangled quoting, so I didn't
reply to the rest.

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"Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       http://www.erikreuter.net/
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