--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 02:33:09AM -0000, iaamoac wrote: > > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of > > Happiness." > > I am familiar with the DoI, John. That is not the same thing as saying, > "it is self-evident that god exists". Haven't you noticed people quite > frequently refer to unnamed higher powers casually, without attributing > deep meaning to the reference? I'd like to see something more >direct.
Well, if you are going to argue that the Declaration of Independence was written casually, and that the Founders just tossed in "the Creator" into the self-evident section of their very cause's justification, then it is clear that you already have your conclusion and are only looking for evidence to support your conclusion. > > But obviously, the Founder's didn't consider the existence of God to > > be self- evident... :) > > I'd like to see some direct and unambiguous quotes, if you can find > it. But quotes are only attributable to one person.... instead I have offered the KEY SENTENCE of a document they all signed their names to, as well as the evidence of what they chose as their first discretionary priority in their new Congress - surely the symbolic imporance of their first discretionary action was not lost upon them. > I didn't feel like cleaning up your majorly mangled quoting, so I didn't > reply to the rest. Not surprising, since you have no answers. Best to ignore those questions that challenge your worldview. JDG _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
