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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Erik Reuter

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> in an earlier thread, certainly looks to me like you picked this fight.

Absolutely.  I jumped into the thread because I found what I read to be
important and inaccurate.  So, sure, I started the argument, quite
deliberately.  It bothers me greatly to see a war being justified by unfair
characterizations of an entire nation, a nation that I probably know better
than any outside the U.S., with the possible exception of some of Latin
America.  And I probably do have a soft spot for France -- French is the
only second language I've ever learned well (starting when I was 10 years
old and hated it), my father fought there in WWII and made lifelong friends
who treat me like family, I proposed to my wife in the middle of Notre Dame
cathedral, I love the food there, and I can make a pate de foie gras en
croute that even a wealthy, somewhat snooty Frenchman complimented (although
he's actually Basque, so maybe he doesn't count).  And Gautam's comments
about gratitude hit hardest, since I've been personally thanked so many
times by French strangers.  I am quite uncertain of how to respond to idea
that my criticisms imply an accusation of facism, so perhaps I blew that.

> And you criticizing someone for dropping names??? Next, will you be
> criticizing someone for defending their argument with their resume?

Who one had lunch with doesn't have any bearing on an argument unless that
person provided authoritative, germane information at lunch.  Otherwise all
it says is, "I hang out with important people, therefore I must be
important."  I know a lot about this; I'm often inclined to do the same and
have worked pretty hard to break the habit.  It comes from being surprised
that one is privileged enough to associate with the powerful, which is to
say that its roots are in self-esteem deficiencis.  I'm talking about my own
issues now.  The same Frenchman who appreciated my foie gras did a great
deal to help me recognize and deal with that (in a typically blunt and
demanding French manner!).  His usual line was, "Nobody cares."  Irritated
the hell out of me, but it eventually got through.

> Here's how google translated that :-)
>
>   You speak the French history like a cow about right-hand side.  And
>   if you understand (without assistance), perhaps you know liked that I
>   think.

I used a couple of idioms in the first sentence, so that automatic
translators would not do well.  There are probably volumes written about the
use of cows in French idoms, puns and jokes.  I don't get most of them, but
the one I've alluded to here is probably the most common.

Nick

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