> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda
... > Since they seem to be made by someone who knows a > _lot_ less of France's history than I do, no, not > really. The Vichy government was a collaborationist > government of France that ran southern France _without > German occupation_ for much of the early war. Hmmm. So, if the U.S. army were to be defeated, and some neo-Nazis in, say, Idaho, took control and began wiping out all the non-Aryans, would you say that they represented America, assuming that Idaho wasn't occupied at the time? I don't think so. But that's what you would have us believe happened in France. Apparently, you do know the history and you're just twisting it to suit your present purposes. Get real. The French army had been defeated. Are you suggesting their defeat had nothing to do with the Vichys being able to do what they did? Why didn't it happen sooner? Are you suggesting that the majority of French people supported them? Let's hear your version of how many did? If it's more than 20 percent, how about supplying some references? > independence than dilettantes in French history Yeah. Very impressive. You have no idea what I know about France and its history, yet here comes another insult. Name-calling doesn't make you any more correct. > realize, by the French Catholic Church, by the > Resistance, or by anyone else of significance in > French society. You might want to look up the > Dreyfuss Affair for more information on how deeply > anti-Semitism was set into the elites of French > society. Zola (who wrote J'Accuse!) was driven into > exile and, many people believe, murdered for his role > in exposing this. I am quite familiar with the history of anti-Semitism in France. And you have vastly exaggerated it. No one, least of all me, is arguing that there hasn't been an anti-Semitic group in France, dating back to the very anti-Semitic pre-revolutionary government. But if nations are to be labeled by the actions of their minorities, we're all in trouble. > Now, are we done? Do you want to at least pretend to > be civil to me, and stop calling me a fascist or a > bigot, Posturing yourself as a victim of name-calling doesn't make you any more correct, either. If you're feeling like I'm describing a fascist when I correct your misrepresentations, that's for you to figure out, but I haven't said anything like that. I've said that you've gotten some things about France quite wrong lately and I'm sticking to the issues, not your personality. Nick _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
