On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:33:08PM -0800 drieux wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:50 PM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote:
> [..]
> >The current set of perl-porters that are able and willing
> >to work on the core are with
> >not many exceptions people with academic degrees.
> [..]
>
> hypothetical question,
>
> would one need to be a perl-porter
> to write good perl?
Had you questioned that one needs an academic degree to learn Perl, this
would be a viable question. But that was not what you said. Let's
refresh your memory:
> Learn to be nice to undergrads and grad students.
> Think about the unpleasant lack of experience that
> they have in a wide range of issues. Most of them
> grew up in normal homes with median types of families.
> ALL they have to 'validate their personhood' IS that
> college degree, and their 'connections'. Unlike
> the rest of us who have different sets of 'connections'
> and different sets of Rules that drive our 'risk analysis'.
You were referring to a 'wide range of issues' and not to Perl in
particular.
I was targetting the cited paragraph. I don't argue that
you need the academic background to learn a programming language.
However, knowing a language itself isn't very much compared to the
problems that are waiting to be solved using this language.
> { would it be impolite to note in which language/languages
> the perl executable is 'written in'??? }
Not at all, why should it?
> but since you have been ever so polite as to offer
> the opportunity, allow me to note one of my most favorite
> and silly misadventures in AcadamiaLand,
[ little fairy-tail snipped ]
You'll have a hard time trying to induce the general from the particular
case. You'd need a proper induction for that which you haven't provided.
> So when you put my comments to Jason, and those who like
> jason, may be having issues with the INSANITY of the
> american educational system, back into their context,
> then you might want to actually go back and re-read them
> for what they are.
Unfortunately, you haven't provided this context. Furthermore, I don't
find any notion of the word "America" or "American" in your posting I
was referring to. Hence I must assume that you were talking about
academia in general.
> yes, yes, I know you are posting from aachen, so take the
> liberty moment and enjoy that I am not complaining about
> Germany... But if you wish I can do a few Herr Doktor
> stories if that would make you feel fuzzyWarm?
No, it wouldn't. Besides, I take the liberty to claim that I have in
general quite a good insight into the German academic system. It does
have its rotten parts but it clearly does not suffer from any of the
points that you mentioned.
> I can appreciate that I clearly must have ruffled some
> feathers, but could the issue be that there is a boring
> practicality to Perl that still escapes you?
Me escaping Perl's practicality? No, I don't think so. And I wouldn't
indulge with Perl if I found it boring, would I?
>A practicality that any reasonable person can acquire??? If on the
>other hand what they WANT is to understand 'algorithm construction' and
>sound 'performance analysis' - and the only place that one can do that
>is, allegedly, in 'the university' then go to it! DO THAT! But suddenly
>one has a Reasonable Excuse to be IN COLLEGE somewheres! But if the
>programme is not taking you where you want to go, BAIL! GET OUT! RUN
>AWAY!
Anyway, you are switching topic once again. I can only follow-up to
things that have actually been there. None of the above was to be found
in this previous posting of yours though.
The credo of your original message was rather flat and shallow: Avoid
university at all costs because it can't teach you anything worthwhile.
This is an immature statement which I addressed.
Tassilo
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