Well, what can I say, I'm extremely surprised that "there is nothing to be fixed" is your (or whoever's) conclusion and I respectfully disagree. I guess I'll leave you with your content for now and be back when you find what's wrong and are looking for new ideas...
Eylem On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Ian Santopietro <isan...@gmail.com> wrote: > I understand your proposal. I think the behavior is too complex. There are > too many conditions regard when to show the launcher and when to show the > window buttons that it's too confusing for many users. It also doesn't make > the Ubuntu button any easier to access, since you still need to aim (for the > launcher, since you can't touch the dash). > My earlier point stands; the initial problems brought up when this thread > was created are now solved, and there doesn't need to be a fix. > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:17, Eylem Koca <eylemk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ian, >> There may be many if's to describe a use cases but it does not mean >> the design is inconsistent, or complex to use. Please pay attention to >> what I'm describing with those if's. They're only for the >> implementation of the design, not for the user to memorize. There is >> nothing to learn for the user, but the design has to be able >> understand (infer) user intention from user action. That's why there >> are those if's. It's easy to negate others' ideas but I think more >> time should be spent on understanding them... >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Ian Santopietro <isan...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > No, I don't think it would. It may provide a workaround, but there are >> > too >> > many if's, which could be inconsistent if the user doesn't know exactly >> > what >> > they're doing. I think if the actions of the dash and launcher can't be >> > explained in one paragraph, then it's too complex. >> > The current iteration of Unity one of the major issues with the revised >> > design: visual distinction from the rest of the launcher items. The >> > other >> > issue, isn't a problem because the super key can be used to invoke the >> > dash >> > instantly anyway. >> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:46, Eylem Koca <eylemk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Ian, >> >> Do you think my proposal in the previous message could address those >> >> issues? >> >> I think it would but I'm no expert... >> >> >> >> Eylem >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Ian Santopietro <isan...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Because the window controls should have gone in the corner, and the >> >> > Usability testing did show that people were clicking on the top icon >> >> > in >> >> > the >> >> > launcher to try and open the dash. >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:34, Eylem Koca <eylemk...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, sorry, I got it wrong it seems. But then, why oh why did the >> >> >> Ubuntu button have to leave the top left corner? If it did not look >> >> >> like a button, then make it like a button, not displace it. The OP >> >> >> includes a very good mockup for example: >> >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/gandreoliva/hybridbutton >> >> >> >> >> >> I really really think that moving the Ubuntu button out of the >> >> >> very-top-left-corner is a huge mistake. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you really have to place the window control buttons to the >> >> >> very-top-left-corner, then I have a proposal. This just popped into >> >> >> my >> >> >> mind, and goes like this: >> >> >> >> >> >> - Make the Launcher cover the whole left edge, going over the top >> >> >> panel at the top left corner. The Ubuntu button (whatever the >> >> >> design) >> >> >> is at the top of the Launcher. >> >> >> - When the cursor is not directed to the top panel, the Launcher >> >> >> shows >> >> >> or hides according to normal behavior (dodge, autohide, etc). >> >> >> - If the Launcher is showing, the window controls on the left of the >> >> >> top panel are hidden, the active-app name (and title?) is displayed >> >> >> on >> >> >> the top panel (starting from where the window controls would end) >> >> >> and >> >> >> the appmenu is hidden. >> >> >> --- While the Launcher is showing, IF THE CURSOR HITS THE TOP PANEL >> >> >> BEFORE IT HITS THE LAUNCHER, then the Launcher hides, the window >> >> >> controls and the appmenu is displayed on the top panel and the user >> >> >> can interact. >> >> >> --- While the Launcher is showing, the user can activate Dash by >> >> >> either clicking on the Ubuntu button or by pushing the cursor to top >> >> >> left corner (second part should be a user configurable option). >> >> >> - If the Launcher is somehow hidden, and the cursor is NOT on the >> >> >> top >> >> >> panel, the window controls are replaced by an Ubuntu logo >> >> >> (monochrome >> >> >> ala 11.04), followed (towards right) by the active-app name (and >> >> >> title?). Note: this Ubuntu logo is not clickable. >> >> >> --- While the Launcher is hidden, IF THE CURSOR FIRST HITS THE TOP >> >> >> PANEL BEFORE IT HITS THE LEFT EDGE, then the window controls and the >> >> >> appmenu is displayed on the top panel and the user can interact. >> >> >> --- While the Launcher is hidden, IF THE CURSOR HITS THE LEFT EDGE >> >> >> FIRST, the Ubuntu logo on top gracefully grows into a button of its >> >> >> own, while (at the same time) the Launcher fades and/or slides into >> >> >> view (very nice visual attractions can be achieved here). Once the >> >> >> Launcher is shown, the user can click anywhere outside, at which >> >> >> instant, the Launcher and the Ubuntu button fade out of view kind of >> >> >> in a reverse visual effect. >> >> >> >> >> >> (If anyone can make a mockup of this, I'd really appreciate it) >> >> >> >> >> >> I strongly suggest that Canonical and other decision makers consider >> >> >> a >> >> >> design of this sorts, and not move the Ubuntu button completely out >> >> >> of >> >> >> the very-top-corner. I'm certain a compromise (as above suggestion) >> >> >> that is clever ans usable can be achieved between window controls >> >> >> and >> >> >> Ubuntu button. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas >> >> >> <m...@canonical.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> >> > Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Eylem Koca wrote on 27/08/11 03:49: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The current design is justified by the motivation to move the >> >> >> >> window >> >> >> >> control buttons to the top left. >> >> >> >> Apparently, the usability tests for 11.04 design showed that the >> >> >> >> window controls are better on the top left, so they moved the >> >> >> >> Ubuntu >> >> >> >> button out of that location. >> >> >> >>... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No, the usability test didn't show anything like that. (How could >> >> >> > it >> >> >> > have, when the test environment used only one placement?) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > What it did show was that, except for a bug, everyone managed to >> >> >> > close a >> >> >> > window. 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