Authors,

While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve 
the following questions, which are also in the XML file.

1) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in
the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. -->


2) <!-- [rfced] Please ensure that the guidelines listed in Section 2.1 of 
RFC 5743 have been adhered to in this document. See
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5743.html#section-2.1.
-->


3) <!-- [rfced] May we make this into two sentences as follows for ease of 
the reader? Also, would you like to change the adjective "compute intensive"
to "CPU-intensive", which is used later in this document?

Original:
   Once this application is partitioned into its constituent (COIN)
   programs and deployed throughout a COIN system, utilizing a COIN
   execution environment, only the "display" (COIN) program may be left
   in the headset, while the compute intensive real-time VR content
   processing (COIN) program can be offloaded to a nearby resource rich
   home PC or a programmable network device (PND) in the operator's
   access network, for a better execution (faster and possibly higher
   resolution generation).

Perhaps:
   Once this application is partitioned into its constituent (COIN)
   programs and deployed throughout a COIN system utilizing a COIN
   execution environment, only the display (COIN) program may be left in
   the headset. Meanwhile, the CPU-intensive real-time VR content
   processing (COIN) program can be offloaded to a nearby resource rich
   home PC or a Programmable Network Device (PND) in the operator's
   access network for a better execution (i.e., faster and possibly higher
   resolution generation).
-->


4) <!-- [rfced] How may we update the following text to clarify the
relationship between the "result" and the phrases that follow?

Original:
   The result is the equivalent to 'mobile function offloading', for possible
   reduction of power consumption (e.g., offloading CPU intensive process
   functions to a remote server) or for improved end user experience (e.g.,
   moving display functions to a nearby smart TV) by selecting more suitably
   placed (COIN) program instances in the overall (COIN) system.

Option A:
   The result is the equivalent to mobile function offloading, in that it
   offers the possible reduction of power consumption (e.g., offloading CPU-
   intensive process functions to a remote server) or offers an improved
   end-user experience (e.g., moving display functions to a nearby smart TV)
   by selecting more suitably placed (COIN) program instances in the overall
   (COIN) system.

Option B (if *both* reducing power consumption and improving the end-user 
experience are due to selecting more suitably placed program instances):

   The result is the equivalent to mobile function offloading because, by
   selecting more suitably placed (COIN) program instances in the overall
   (COIN) system, it offers a potential reduction of power consumption (e.g.,
   offloading CPU-intensive process functions to a remote server) or an
   improved end-user experience (e.g., moving display functions to a nearby
   smart TV).
-->


5) <!-- [rfced] We note that the reference [ETSI] uses "Multi-access Edge
Computing (MEC)" rather than "Mobile Edge Computing (MEC)" as seen in the
text below. May we update this sentence accordingly?

Original:
   The ETSI Mobile Edge Computing (MEC) [ETSI] suite of technologies
   provides solutions...

Perhaps:
  The ETSI Multi-access Edge Computing (MEC) [ETSI] suite of technologies
  provides solutions...
-->


6) <!-- [rfced] Please clarify this sentence, especially "rather than".

Original:
   Also, the ETSI work does not allow for the
   dynamic selection and redirection of (COIN) program calls to varying
   edge resources rather than a single MEC application server.

Option A:
   Also, the ETSI work does not allow for the 
   dynamic selection and redirection of (COIN) program calls to varying
   edge resources; it does allow for them to a single MEC application server.

Option B (stating the reverse):
   Also, the ETSI work allows for the dynamic selection and
   redirection of (COIN) program calls to only a single MEC application 
   server, not to varying edge resources.
-->


7) <!-- [rfced] Seems a closing parenthesis was missing on "(service routing
in [APPCENTRES]...". We added it; please review.

Original:
   *  The support for service-level routing of requests (service routing
      in [APPCENTRES] may support higher flexibility when switching from
      one (COIN) program instance to another, e.g., due to changing
      constraints for selecting the new (COIN) program instance.  Here,
      PNDs may support service routing solutions by acting as routing
      overlay nodes to implement the necessary additional lookup
      functionality and also possibly support the handling of affinity
      relations, i.e., the forwarding of one packet to the destination
      of a previous one due to a higher level service relation, as
      discussed and described in [SarNet2021].

Current:
   *  The support for service-level routing of requests (such as service
      routing in [APPCENTRES]) may support higher flexibility when switching
      from one (COIN) program instance to another (e.g., due to changing
      constraints for selecting the new (COIN) program instance).  Here, PNDs
      may support service routing solutions by acting as routing overlay nodes
      to implement the necessary additional lookup functionality and also
      possibly support the handling of affinity relations (i.e., the
      forwarding of one packet to the destination of a previous one due to a
      higher level service relation as discussed and described in
      [SarNet2021]).
-->


8) <!-- [rfced] FYI, for readability, we made this into two sentences at 
"that can benefit". Please review.

Original:
   XR is one example of the multisource-
   multidestination problem that combines video and haptics in
   interactive multi-party interactions under strict delay requirements
   that can benefit from a functional distribution that includes fog
   computing for local information processing, the edge for aggregation,
   and the cloud for image processing.

Current:
   XR is one example of the multisource-
   multidestination problem that combines video and haptics in
   interactive multiparty interactions under strict delay requirements.
   As such, XR can benefit from a functional distribution that includes
   fog computing for local information processing, the edge for
   aggregation, and the cloud for image processing.
-->


9) <!-- [rfced] Should "re-rerouting" be updated to "re-routing" here?

Original:
   More importantly, COIN can enable collaborative XR experiences, where
   multiple users interact in the same virtual space in real-time, regardless
   of their physical locations, by allowing resource discovery and
   re-rerouting of XR streams.

Perhaps:
   More importantly, COIN can enable collaborative XR experiences, where
   multiple users interact in the same virtual space in real time, regardless
   of their physical locations, by allowing resource discovery and
   re-routing of XR streams.
-->


10) <!-- [rfced] For clarity, may we update "not networked or distributed" 
in the text below to be more descriptive?

Original: 
   Hence, implementing such XR solutions necessitates substantial
   computational power and minimal latency, which, for now, has spurred the
   development of better headsets not networked or distributed solutions as
   factors like distance from cloud servers and limited bandwidth can still
   significantly lower application responsiveness.

Perhaps: 
   Hence, implementing such XR solutions necessitates substantial
   computational power and minimal latency, which, for now, has spurred the
   development of better headsets, rather than spurring networked or
   distributed solutions, as factors like distance from cloud servers and
   limited bandwidth can still significantly lower application responsiveness.
-->


11) <!-- [rfced] We have added additional punctuation to the text below. Please
review these updates and confirm that they do not change your intended
meaning.

Original:
   Information Centric Networking (and related) approaches that combine
   publish subscribe and distributed storage are also very suited for the
   multisource-multidestination applications of XR.

Current:
   Information-centric networking (and related) approaches that combine,
   publish, subscribe, and distribute storage are also very suited for
   the multisource-multidestination applications of XR. 
-->


12) <!-- [rfced] For clarity, may we change 'the discovery of' to 
'discovering'? 
This makes the action parallel with 'using' (in other words,
'they include discovering X and using them to do Y').

Original:
   Mechanisms aimed at enhancing the computational and storage capacities of
   mobile devices could also improve XR capabilities as they include the
   discovery of available servers within the environment and using them
   opportunistically to enhance the performance of interactive applications
   and distributed file systems.

Perhaps:
   Mechanisms aimed at enhancing the computational and storage capacities of 
   mobile devices could also improve XR capabilities, as they include 
   discovering available servers within the environment and using them
   opportunistically to enhance the performance of interactive applications 
   and distributed file systems.
-->


13) <!-- [rfced] Would "federating systems capabilities" be more clear as
"the federation of systems capabilities" here?

Original:
   Yet, there are still very few interactive immersive media applications
   over networks that allow for federating systems capabilities.

Perhaps:
   Yet, there are still very few interactive immersive media applications
   over networks that allow for the federation of systems capabilities.
-->


14) <!-- [rfced] For readability and clarity of RQ 3.2.3

a) Is this about two separate research questions ("the use of distributed AI"
and "the creation of semi-permanent datasets")? May they be two separate
sentences?

b) May we adjust "resulting in" to "result in" to add a clear verb to the
second half of this text?

Original:
   *  RQ 3.2.3: Can the use of distributed AI algorithms across both
      data center and edge computers be leveraged for creating optimal
      function allocation and the creation of semi-permanent datasets
      and analytics for usage trending and flow management resulting in
      better localization of XR functions?

Perhaps:
   *  RQ 3.2.3: Can the use of distributed AI algorithms across both
      data center and edge computers be leveraged for creating optimal
      function allocation? Can the creation of semi-permanent datasets
      and analytics for usage trending and flow management result in
      better localization of XR functions?
-->


15) <!-- [rfced] For ease of the reader, may we break this one sentence into 
two?
In addition, may we update the verb "optimize" to "optimizing" as follows?

Original:
   *  RQ 3.2.4: Can COIN improve the dynamic distribution of control,
      forwarding, and storage resources and related usage models in XR,
      such as to integrate local and fog caching with cloud-based pre-
      rendering, thus jointly optimizing COIN and higher layer protocols
      to reduce latency and, more generally, manage the quality of XR
      sessions, e.g., through reduced in-network congestion and improved
      flow delivery by determining how to prioritize XR data?

Perhaps:
   *  RQ 3.2.4: Can COIN improve the dynamic distribution of control,
      forwarding, and storage resources and related usage models in XR, 
      such as to integrate local and fog caching with cloud-based pre-
      rendering? Could this jointly optimize COIN and higher layer protocols to
      reduce latency and, more generally, manage the quality of XR sessions 
      (e.g., through reduced in-network congestion and improved flow delivery
      by determining how to prioritize XR data)?
-->


16) <!--[rfced] FYI, this text has been updated to use person-first language.
Please let us know if you prefer otherwise.

Original:
   *  Augmentation of the performance with subtitles, audio-description,
      actor-tagging, language translation, advertisements/product-
      placement, other enhancements/filters to make the performance
      accessible to disabled audience members (removal of flashing
      images for epileptics, alternative color schemes for color-blind
      audience members, etc.).

Current:
   *  Augmentation of the performance with subtitles, audio description,
      actor tagging, language translation, advertisements and product
      placement, and other enhancements and filters to make the
      performance accessible to audience members who are disabled (e.g.,
      the removal of flashing images for audience members who have
      epilepsy or alternative color schemes for those who have color            
       
      blindness).
-->


17) <!-- [rfced] For clarity, may we adjust this list as follows?

Original:
   *  RQ 4.1.6: Can there be different control levels, e.g., "quite
      inaccurate & very low latency" (PNDs, deep in the network), "more
      accurate & higher latency" (more powerful COIN execution
      environments, farer away), "very accurate & very high latency"
      (cloud environments, far away)?

Option A (without parentheses):
    *  RQ 4.1.6: Can there be different control levels? For example,
       "quite inaccurate & very low latency" for PNDs deep in the network;
       "more accurate & higher latency" for more powerful COIN execution
       environments that are farther away; and "very accurate & very high
       latency" for cloud environments that are far away.

Option B (using a sublist):
   *  RQ 4.1.6: Can there be different control levels?  For example:

      -  "quite inaccurate & very low latency" for PNDs deep in the
         network;
      -  "more accurate & higher latency" for more powerful COIN execution
         environments that are farther away; and
      -  "very accurate & very high latency" for cloud environments that 
         are far away.
-->


18) <!-- [rfced] Section 5.1.4: To improve readability and avoid overuse 
of "e.g.," and parentheses, how may these items be updated?

i) Does "(e.g., virtualized, distributed)" mean the set of choices 
are virtualized and/or distributed?

Original:
   *  Supporting the selection of a service destination from a set of
      possible (e.g., virtualized, distributed) choices, e.g., through
      constraint-based routing decisions (see [APPCENTRES]) in (COIN)
      program instances to improve the overall end user experience by
      selecting a 'more suitable' service destination over another,
      e.g., avoiding/reducing overload situations in specific service
      destinations.

Option A:
   *  Supporting the selection of a service destination from a set of
      possible choices (virtualized and distributed) in (COIN) program
      instances (e.g., through constraint-based routing decisions as seen in
      [APPCENTRES]) to improve the overall end-user experience by selecting a
      "more suitable" service destination over another (e.g.,
      avoiding/reducing overload situations in specific service destinations).

Option B (moving the last two examples to one final sentence):
   *  Supporting the selection of a service destination from a set of
      possible choices (virtualized and distributed) in (COIN) program
      instances to improve the overall end-user experience by selecting a
      "more suitable" service destination over another. (For example,
      selecting through constraint-based routing decisions as seen in
      [APPCENTRES] may allow avoiding/reducing overload situations in 
      specific service destinations.)

ii) Does "in-network/switch-based" mean "in-network and switch-based"?

Original:
   *  Supporting Layer 2 capabilities for multicast (compute
      interconnection and collective communication in [APPCENTRES]),
      e.g., through in-network/switch-based replication decisions (and
      their optimizations) based on dynamic group membership
      information, may reduce the network utilization and therefore
      increase the overall system efficiency.

Perhaps (moving the example to the end):
   *  Supporting L2 capabilities for multicast (compute interconnection
      and collective communication as seen in [APPCENTRES]) may
      reduce the network utilization and therefore increase the overall
      system efficiency. For example, this support may be
      through in-network, switch-based replication decisions (and their
      optimizations) based on dynamic group membership information.
-->


19) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We have added a subject for "such as exposed through" in
the text below. Also, we assumed "InfiBand" was intended as "InfiniBand". 
Please review.

Original:
   We interpret connected compute resources as operating at a suitable
   layer, such as Ethernet, InfiBand but also at Layer 3, to allow for
   the exchange of suitable invocation methods, such as exposed through
   verb-based or socket-based APIs.  

Current:
   We interpret connected compute resources as operating at a suitable
   layer, such as Ethernet, InfiniBand, but also at Layer 3 (L3), to allow
   for the exchange of suitable invocation methods, such as those
   exposed through verb-based or socket-based APIs.
-->


20) <!-- [rfced] Section 5.2.4. Opportunities: How may we add a verb/outcome
to the second part of this list item, in order to be consistent with the
rest of the items in this section?

Original:
   *  Supporting the enforcement of trust relationships and isolation
      policies through intermediary (COIN) program instances, e.g.,
      enforcing specific traffic shares or strict isolation of traffic
      through differentiated queueing.

Perhaps:
   *  Supporting the enforcement of trust relationships and isolation
      policies through intermediary (COIN) program instances (e.g.,
      enforcing specific traffic shares or strict isolation of traffic
      through differentiated queueing) will allow for [what?].
-->


21) <!-- [rfced] May "controller" be plural here in order to be parallel 
with the other plural list items?

Original:
   Virtual network programming by tenants could bring benefits such as:

   *  A unified programming model, which can facilitate porting COIN
      programs between data centers, 5G networks, and other fixed and
      wireless networks, as well as sharing controller, code and
      expertise.

Perhaps:
   Virtual network programming by tenants could bring benefits such as:

   *  A unified programming model, which can facilitate porting COIN
      programs between data centers, 5G networks, and other fixed and
      wireless networks, as well as sharing controllers, code, and
      expertise.
-->


22) <!-- [rfced] Section 6.1.4. Opportunities: We are having a difficult time 
parsing the two items below. How may we revise for clarity?
(For example, in the second item, please consider where the first "e.g." 
phrase end, and how the second "e.g." connects to the preceding text.)

Original:
   *  Supporting service-level routing of training requests (service
      routing in [APPCENTRES]), with AI services being exposed to the
      network, where (COIN) program instances may support the selection
      of the most suitable service instance based on control plane
      information, e.g., on AI worker compute capabilities, being
      distributed across (COIN) program instances.

   *  Supporting the collective communication primitives, such as all-
      to-all, scatter-gather, utilized by the (distributed) AI workers
      to increase the overall network efficiency, e.g., through avoiding
      endpoint-based replication or even directly performing, e.g.,
      reduce, collective primitive operations in (COIN) program
      instances placed in topologically advantageous places.

Perhaps:
   *  Supporting service-level routing of training requests (such as service
      routing in [APPCENTRES]) with AI services being exposed to the
      network, and where (COIN) program instances may support the selection
      of the most suitable service instance based on control plane
      information (e.g., on AI worker compute capabilities being
      distributed across (COIN) program instances).

   *  Supporting the collective communication primitives, such as all-
      to-all and scatter-gather, utilized by the (distributed) AI 
      workers may increase the overall network efficiency (e.g., 
      through avoiding endpoint-based replication or even directly 
      performing (or reducing) collective primitive operations) in (COIN) 
      program instances placed in topologically advantageous places.
-->


23) <!-- [rfced] Please clarify the final phrase; what is the subject of
"reduce"?  In other words, what educe in a central (COIN) program
 
Original:
   *  RQ 6.1.1: What are the communication patterns that may be
      supported by collective communication solutions, where those
      solutions directly utilize (COIN) program instance capabilities
      within the network (e.g., reduce in a central (COIN) program
      instance)?
-->


24) <!-- [rfced] Section 7:

a) In Figure 4 (and throughout Section 7) some words are in all caps, while
others are not. Should these partially capitalized phrases be updated to match
the other categories that appear in title case?

Partially capitalized:
   VISION(S) for COIN
   ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES for COIN
   Distributed Computing FRAMEWORKS and LANGUAGES to COIN

Title case:
   Applicability Areas 
   Transport 
   App Design
   Data Processing
   Routing & Forwarding
   (Industrial) Control

b) FYI - We have replaced the asterisks in this section with quotation marks
to indicate that these terms refer to items in Figure 4.
-->


25) <!--[rfced] References:

a) For [Stoyanov], would you like to change the URL for this 
reference or leave it as is?

Current: https://eng.ox.ac.uk/media/6354/stoyanov2020mtpsa.pdf
Perhaps: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3426744.3431329

b) For [SA2-5GLAN], the URL provided returns a "403 - Forbidden" 
error. We were unable to find an alternative source for this
reference. Please review and let us know how to update. 

Current:
   [SA2-5GLAN]
              3GPP-5glan, "SP-181129, Work Item Description,
              Vertical_LAN(SA2), 5GS Enhanced Support of Vertical and
              LAN Services", 3GPP , 2021,
              <http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_sa/TSG_SA/Docs/SP-
              181120.zip>.
-->


26) <!--[rfced] We see that draft-trossen-icnrg-ip-icn-5glan
was replaced by draft-trossen-icnrg-internet-icn-5glan. Would you 
like this reference to be updated to the latter?

Current:
   [ICN-5GLAN]
              Trossen, D., Wang, C., Robitzsch, S., Reed, M., AL-Naday,
              M., and J. Riihijarvi, "IP-based Services over ICN in 5G
              LAN Environments", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft,
              draft-trossen-icnrg-ip-icn-5glan-00, 6 June 2019,
              <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-trossen-
              icnrg-ip-icn-5glan-00>.
-->


27) <!-- [rfced] Terminology and Abbreviations:

a) We note different uses of (COIN) and COIN in the terms below. 
For consistency and ease of the reader, we suggest removing the
parentheses in "(COIN)" when it appears in these instances. Please review
and let us know any objections. 

(COIN) execution environment
(COIN) system
(COIN) programs
(COIN) program instances

COIN execution environment
COIN system
COIN programs
COIN program instances


b) In general, is there is a specific meaning that is intended when "COIN"
is in parentheses? If so, could you add a sentence to define that 
meaning? For example, why is COIN in parentheses in this text?

Section 3.1.2:
   However, the execution of a (COIN) program may be moved to other
   (e.g., more suitable) devices, including PNDs, which have exposed the
   corresponding (COIN) program as individual (COIN) program instances
   to the (COIN) system by means of a 'service identifier'. 

We note this convention was also used in draft-irtf-coinrg-coin-terminology
(now expired), but it does not seem to be explained.


c) How should 'CN' be expanded here?

   Works such as those in [SILKROAD] utilize ASICs to replace server-based
   load balancing with significant cost reductions, thus showcasing the
   potential for in-network CN operations.

d) FYI, we added expansions for the following abbreviations upon first use. 
Please review each expansion in the document carefully to ensure correctness.

Application-Specific Integrated Circuit (ASIC)
Graphics Processing Units (GPUs)
Information-Centric Network (ICN)
Internet of Things (IoT)
Java Virtual Machine (JVM)
Message Passing Interface (MPI)
Quality of Experience (QoE)
Remote Direct Memory Access (RDMA) 
Software-Defined Network (SDN)
Standards Development Organization (SDO) 
User Plane Function (UPF) 
-->


28) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the online 
Style Guide <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
and let us know if any changes are needed.  Updates of this nature typically
result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.

a) For example, please consider whether "native" should be updated here:

  so-called 'cloud-native' applications for applications developed

b) In addition, please consider whether instances of "traditional" 
and "traditionally" should be updated for clarity.  While the NIST website
<https://web.archive.org/web/20250214092458/https://www.nist.gov/nist-research-library/nist-technical-series-publications-author-instructions#table1>
indicates that this term is potentially biased, it is also ambiguous.
"Tradition" is a subjective term, as it is not the same for everyone.
-->


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RFC9817 (draft-irtf-coinrg-use-cases-07)

Title            : Use Cases for In-Network Computing
Author(s)        : I. Kunze, K. Wehrle, D. Trossen, M.-J. Montpetit, X. de Foy, 
D. Griffin, M. Rio

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