I guess you haven't heard "Desh ki mitti" which is so reminiscent of the composing style of the 50's. It so distinguishingly reminds you of those old times. What about the alternate version of Kadam Kadam. You had to pick on Ghoomparani of all of them. I guess we can revisit each of those songs which you feel could fit into 2005 (which actually should, bcoz ultimately they also want to sell those songs to people of 200X not people of 1950).
I am sure a lot of people in this group can find you examples as to what is so pre-1950 is about those songs. That is if you are looking for a honest debate. --- In [email protected], V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/21/05 10:43 PM India Time, _Vinayakam Murugan_ wrote: > > > A period score needs to create the ambience of that period. It doesn't > > need the same instruments or even exact same language as was used > > earlier. Films are a commercial proposition and the director has an eye > > on the audience also. > > A producer is always after money, and it is no sin. He is > doing a business and can keep on in the business only if he > earns. > > It is upto the directors, actors, MDs, lyricists to help the > producer make money, and still keep the ambience of the era > in mind on which the film is based. > > > True, I agree that hum hain is pal yahaan would have fitted in any 2006 > > love story but the beauty of ARR is that it fits in 1947 love story as > > well . > > > > Talking about lyrics, I am not very sure how much control a music > > director has over lyrics. Unless it is downright crude or vulgar, i > > don't think the music director dictates any terms to the lyricist. It > > has to be the lyricist along with the director who decides such things. > > I am not talking about only ARR or ARR's hindi movies (since he may not > > have that good a command over hindi) but all movies in general. > > I concede that. In any case, I did not find anything > obviously wrong with the lyrics of arr's "alleged" period > scores thus I don't feel like writing about the period-ness > of the lyrics part. Mangal Pandey's lyrics are also OK. > > > > > ARR's period scores for 1947, Zubeidaa, Lagaan, Iruvar, Bhagat Singh, > > Bose, etc rank amongst the best ever. > > Scores are indeed the best, but they are no period scores. > Most of them are anyday's scores. > > > > > Okay what defines a good period score? Let's look in the past. Let's > > take classics like "Baiju Bawra" , "Mughal -E - Azaam". The music in > > these films could have been used in any of the films in that era. Does > > that make the music non-period. > > It is coming to personal assessment. > > Naushad had always made a huge issue that he did research > and used the instruments and words used in the era on which > the movie is based. I am not having any particular interview > of Naushad in hand in which he highlighted all the dozens of > things he had researched and then used in his music of these > two and other films, but I am sure that one can find them > abound on net. > > ARR does say that "he does research for his period movies". > Could anyone point me to some link where any such interview > of ARR can be read in which he highlights what researches he > had done for any of his period movies, what were the > findings, what special beats, instruments, lyrics he had > then used to bring the feel of that era. > > I am posting a query about such interviews of veterans. If > something comes up, I shall forward here. > > I don't remember any such interview being mentioned in this > group in past five years. ARR did say that he composed > "ishwar allaah" of 1947Earth in one day, so where was the > time for any research in one day, alongwith composing a song? > > If not a single interview of ARR exists elaborating on that > aspect, I wish ARR gives more interview like this so that > people come to know about those researches, and start > noticing what ARR thinks to be the period-thingy he had put > in a score. > > Maybe people close to ARR feel like dropping a word to him > about need of such interviews. > > > On the other hand when Rahman did some different arrangements for Kadam > > Kadam Badhaye Ja and Hum Dilli Dilli Jayenge, there were opinions that > > the arrangements seem old. :-) > > You got it. > > "arrangements seemed old" a befitting comment for a > period-song. ARR should have been proud of receive such a > comment, irrespective of the mood of the writer who wrote > that comment. > > For how many songs of Zubaidaa, Lagaan, Kisna, Bhagat Singh, > etc. can it be said that the "arrangements sounded old". > > to be fair, Zubaida's "chhodo merii bayyaa.N" seems so > different from today's music. > > Similarly, Zubaidaa's "rangiile o" also sounded so peculiar > that it was out of place in the album. But it was necessary > for it to sound like that because as per the movie, it was a > song picturised in a movie in 1945 or so. > > > Anyways to each his own. With a huge group like us, it would be great if > > we stop trying to impose our opinions on others. 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