On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 4:07 PM John Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
> David – > > Answers below, inline. > > > On Jun 4, 2025, at 11:48 AM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thanks John, > > > > Some follow-up questions; > > > > 1. Is there a reassignment mechanism for ASNs? I'm not aware of one. A > natural person not operating a business can obtain IP addresses from an > ISP/LIR and expect them to be reassigned to them for their use. But how > does a natural person not operating a business obtain an ASN for their use? > This seems like a hole in the system. > > An ISP can request an ASN for their customer to use and create a ROA for > it (or the customer can use private ASN if their ISP supports such.) > The problem with that is that if a natural person not operating a business gets a detailed reassignment of address space, it shows up under their OrgID, where they control the POCs. However, an ASN would currently have to show up under their ISP's OrgID. The ISP could make them a resource POC for the ASN, but it isn't quite the same. It also doesn't accurately communicate how the ASN is being used from an operational perspective. If ARIN wants to avoid natural persons not operating a business as direct customers, providing a detailed reassignment type mechanism for ASNs is a possible place to start for a compromise. > > 2. If a natural person is not operating a business, and their only > relationship to ARIN is indirectly through an ISP or LIR, what about > portability, and what happens if the ISP/LIR goes bankrupt? If we do not > allow a direct relationship between ARIN and natural persons not operating > a business, then the system needs some mechanism to support ISP/LIR > portability and protections for ISP/LIR bankruptcy. > > The number resources are issued to the ISP/LIR, not the individual, and > control over the number resources remains with ISP even if > reassigned/reallocated in registry. > > If the ISP/LIR goes bankrupt, the ISP's number resources are contractual > rights that are treated as assets of their estate and handled according to > standard bankruptcy procedures, subject to ARIN’s transfer policies. > This is where RIPE's Sponsoring LIR mechanism probably has some advantages. It maintains the B2B business model between the RIR and the ISP/LIR, while the ISP/LIR maintains the B2C relationship. The resources are maintained in the end-user's name. The end-user can change their Sponsoring LIR, which would likely happen in the case of LIR bankruptcy. Would ARIN consider a Sponsoring LIR mechanism to provide resources to natural persons not operating a business, while maintaining its B2B business model? Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:[email protected] Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
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