> I have no opposition to doing something if we can get a proposal that offers something that ARIN can do. > The first step must be to identify what ARIN can do and accept what is beyond ARIN’s mandate and capabilities.
Owen, this is a position that will certainly be supported by all who have endured prop-266. With respect to items 3, 4 and 5 of your pronouncement, punitive rules could be imposed by ARIN in order to reduce illicit acts. Marilson Em sáb, 4 de mai de 2019 às 16:09, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> escreveu: > > > > On May 3, 2019, at 10:13 , Carlos Friaças via ARIN-PPML < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Fri, 3 May 2019, Andrew Bagrin wrote: > > > >> I'm curious why do people not want to let ARIN try to start getting > involved to help resolve the issue of hijacking? > > I don’t accept the premise of the question. I think people are perfectly > willing to see ARIN expand its involvement in > resolving issues of hijacking to the extent that ARIN can have a > meaningful impact on the situation. I think others > in this discussion have a greatly inflated opinion of ARIN’s powers and > capabilities in this regard. > > > > > <proposer hat on> > > > > This is uncharted territory. Some people fear the unknown. > > I think that is overly dismissive and an inaccurate assessment of most of > the opposition to this proposal. > > Indeed, IMHO, this is actually well charted territory as similar > discussions of ARIN’s ability to curtail routing > problems have been held before in this and other fora with the consistent > outcome that after a period of education, > most in the discussion arrive at the same conclusion: > > 1. Most of the resource hijackers are not those who have > contracts with ARIN with one notable exception. > 2. Those with a contract with ARIN generally are those who > have committed resource fraud in order to > obtain said contract with ARIN and upon sufficient proof, > ARIN already has policies and procedures > in place to reclaim the resources. > 3. Stopping hijacking requires an action by those who run > routers. ARIN does not run (many) routers. > 4. ARIN does not control the businesses who run routers. > 5. ARIN does not have the authority to dictate business > practices to ISPs beyond those related to the > maintenance of the ARIN registration database. > 6. The theory that ARIN allocates exclusive rights to use > number resources on some amorphous > concept known as “the global internet” is a novel idea, > but not particularly proximal to reality. > > >> Why would anyone be against ARIN having a process to help resolve these > issues? Sure we can question how effective it will be, but anything will > be more effective than nothing, and by actually doing, failing and > learning, ARIN will only improve and refine the process. We will all learn > from this. > > > > I've learned a lot between proposal versions in RIPE, LACNIC and ARIN. > > I have no opposition to doing something if we can get a proposal that > offers something that ARIN can do. > > The first step must be to identify what ARIN can do and accept what is > beyond ARIN’s mandate and capabilities. > > Owen > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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