> On May 3, 2019, at 10:13 , Carlos Friaças via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2019, Andrew Bagrin wrote:
>
>> I'm curious why do people not want to let ARIN try to start getting involved
>> to help resolve the issue of hijacking?
I don’t accept the premise of the question. I think people are perfectly
willing to see ARIN expand its involvement in
resolving issues of hijacking to the extent that ARIN can have a meaningful
impact on the situation. I think others
in this discussion have a greatly inflated opinion of ARIN’s powers and
capabilities in this regard.
>
> <proposer hat on>
>
> This is uncharted territory. Some people fear the unknown.
I think that is overly dismissive and an inaccurate assessment of most of the
opposition to this proposal.
Indeed, IMHO, this is actually well charted territory as similar discussions
of ARIN’s ability to curtail routing
problems have been held before in this and other fora with the consistent
outcome that after a period of education,
most in the discussion arrive at the same conclusion:
1. Most of the resource hijackers are not those who have contracts
with ARIN with one notable exception.
2. Those with a contract with ARIN generally are those who have
committed resource fraud in order to
obtain said contract with ARIN and upon sufficient proof, ARIN
already has policies and procedures
in place to reclaim the resources.
3. Stopping hijacking requires an action by those who run routers.
ARIN does not run (many) routers.
4. ARIN does not control the businesses who run routers.
5. ARIN does not have the authority to dictate business practices
to ISPs beyond those related to the
maintenance of the ARIN registration database.
6. The theory that ARIN allocates exclusive rights to use number
resources on some amorphous
concept known as “the global internet” is a novel idea, but not
particularly proximal to reality.
>> Why would anyone be against ARIN having a process to help resolve these
>> issues? Sure we can question how effective it will be, but anything will be
>> more effective than nothing, and by actually doing, failing and learning,
>> ARIN will only improve and refine the process. We will all learn from this.
>
> I've learned a lot between proposal versions in RIPE, LACNIC and ARIN.
I have no opposition to doing something if we can get a proposal that offers
something that ARIN can do.
The first step must be to identify what ARIN can do and accept what is beyond
ARIN’s mandate and capabilities.
Owen
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