As an ISP, you are billed on your total address holdings, not individual blocks.
So, a /22 and 4 /24s would be billed identically. ISPs do not pay separate annual fees for ASNs. There is a one time fee for each ASN the same as end-users (currently $500). In your example, 4 /24s, a /40, and an ASN, you would pay the greater of $500 (IPv4 /22) or $500 (IPv6 /40) if you could somehow get a /40. However, under current policy, the smallest block available to an ISP directly from ARIN is a /36. A /36 is $1,000 annually, so if you got a /36, your fees would go up to $1,000. The smallest recommended (and default minimum) is /32, which is currently $2,000. Owen > On Aug 11, 2015, at 21:42 , Paul <[email protected]> wrote: > > We are an ISP. > Will 4 different non-contiguous blocks be counted as 1 or 4 blocks for fees. > Or is the block count the total of all combined /24's that we would get > allocated? > So a /22 (or 4 /24's) plus a /40 plus ASN for an ISP would be $500 annually? > > Thanks > > > > On 8/11/2015 11:22 PM, Jason Schiller wrote: >> For ISPs a /22 is billed at XX-small at $500 annually. >> (this includes ASNs and membership vote) >> >> adding up to a /40 keeps the ISP in the XX-small category and does not >> change the annual fee. >> >> An IPv4 /32 bumps the ISP up to a small with an annual fee of $2,000. (a >> $1,500 increase). >> (If the ISP already had more than a /20 there would be no increase in fees) >> >> >> End sites are billed differently >> End sites pay $100 per resource. >> one /22 costs $100. >> two /24s cost $200. >> one /20, two /23s, and two ASNs cost $500 annually. >> >> There is an additional one time fee for new resources based on the size of >> the resource. >> >> So an end user with one /22 and one ASN the annual fee is $200. >> >> There is a one time initial fee of of $500 for a single block that is a /40 >> or smaller >> (this is in addition to the $200 annual fee for IPv4 and ASN) >> >> The following year the annual fee will go up by $100 for a total of $300. >> >> ___Jason >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:35 PM, David Huberman >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Hi Josh, <> >> >> If you have a /21 allocation from ARIN, then you are paying them $1,000 a >> year in a subscription fee. That covers your AS number, and your /21, and >> it gives you membership to vote. >> >> >> If you want, you can request a /36 of IPv6 from ARIN, and it will come at no >> extra charge. There will be no registration fee, and your annual >> subscription fee will not change. >> >> >> From an engineering perspective, many of us do not recommend that. We >> recommend getting the full default prefix size – a /32 – and deploying that. >> Unfortunately, that will cause your annual subscription fee with ARIN to >> double to $2,000. You still won’t pay a registration fee for getting the >> /32, but when your next annual bill is sent, it will be for $2,000 rather >> than $1,000. >> >> >> Please keep in mind that the only realistic way I know of to get more IPv4 >> addresses for your new products and customers is via the IPv4 transfer >> market, and that’s going to cost many, many times more than ARIN charges. >> Many tens of thousands of dollars, probably, depending on what you want to >> get. You may wish to balance the cost of obtaining more IPv4 addresses in >> the market with what revenue opportunities those addresses represent, then >> factor in how you can (or cannot) leverage IPv6 to make those numbers work >> better for you. Just a suggestion, and sorry if I’m overstepping. >> >> >> David >> >> >> David R Huberman >> Principal, Global IP Addressing >> >> Microsoft Corporation >> >> >> From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:29 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility >> >> >> Well here's my scenario. My ISP is in the process of acquiring another ISP, >> I wrote into arin for advice of how to go about requesting additional ip >> space as the acquisition will take more IP addresses then what we have left >> out of our current /21 allotment. >> >> >> >> I was advised to apply asap however with the depletion procedures/protocols >> it didn't seem likely to quickly be able to get enough blocks from the free >> pool. >> >> If an existing service provider such as myself would be able to get a free >> ipv6 allocation I would agree it would help transition to ipv6 faster as I >> need more IPs for my customers, infrastructure, etc. >> >> I'd at least be more willing to try to make it work for my customer ip space >> since there would be little or no cost involved, now the problem that >> remains is the equipment compatibility and third party support of ipv6. >> >> Is it possible to still get a block to use for my ISP for $100/yr? >> >> Best Regards, >> Josh Rowe >> >> On August 11, 2015 10:11:40 PM EDT, Randy Carpenter < >> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> ----- On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Seth Mattinen [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> On 8/11/15 14:43, Alfie Cleveland wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I’m requesting comment in regards to automatically make organisations >> eligible for IPv6 if they hold justified IPv4 space. This similar to >> Section 9.3.1. of the [APNIC-127] APNIC Internet Number Resource >> Policies. I feel that if organisations were able to receive a /48 for >> each /24 they hold, then it would help expedite the rollout of IPv6. >> Organisations currently have two choices - continue to use IPv4, or >> spend valuable time on applying for IPv6 space. IPv6 space is clearly in >> abundance - and this could potentially help slo >> w the >> exhaustion of IPv4. >> >> >> I got my /32 IPv6 allocation in late 2009 and end user /48 in 2007 and I >> don't remember having to do much to qualify for them other than ask. Has >> this changed? >> No. If you have IPv4 space already, it is incredibly easy to get IPv6. >> Getting the default /48 as an end-user is about as automatic as it could be, >> and qualifying for more is not much more effort if you have multiple sites. >> >> The only issue is that for end-users, you now have to pay an additional $100 >> per year for the IPv6 assignment. >> >> -Randy >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2flists.arin.net%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2farin-ppml&data=01%7c01%7cdavid.huberman%40microsoft.com%7cda43505669344383a23b08d2a2bdd610%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=8tB7qrXRyzQxkxErQNddayFfecqCmrp54AhlO7IzCkE%3d> >> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experi >> ence >> any issues. >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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