The remote IMAP server is my personal Dovecot instance which isn't
configured to expunge on delete. I've updated neither binary nor
config in a year or two.
It appears to be the client doing this, at least that's my
interpretation of this debug output:
- delete message -
DELETE: msg 65
imap_cmd(INBOX, STORE, 0x1)
IMAP DEBUG 22:13:39 8/22: 01000061 STORE 65 +Flags (\DELETED)
IMAP DEBUG 22:13:39 8/22: * 65 FETCH (FLAGS (\Deleted Old))
IMAP DEBUG 22:13:39 8/22: 01000061 OK Store completed (0.076 + 0.000 +
0.075 secs).
...
Mail_Ping(INBOX): lastping=1 er=34 [forced] [current] 22:14:05.627864
imap_cmd(INBOX, NOOP, 0x0)
IMAP DEBUG 22:14:05 8/22: 010000bf NOOP
IMAP DEBUG 22:14:05 8/22: * 65 EXPUNGE
mm_expunged({imap.server:993/imap/nostarttls/ssl/user="doug"}INBOX,65)
mm_expunged: rawno=65 msgno=65 nmsgs=114644 max_msgno=114644 flagged_exld=0
IMAP DEBUG 22:14:05 8/22: 010000bf OK NOOP completed (0.003 + 0.000 + 0.002
secs).
Ping complete: 22:14:05.644670
Logging on the server also shows the EXPUNGE coming from the client.
It's happening on mailbox ping (like when I press ^L). The source
shows `EXPUNGEATPING` and `expok` as potential (internal) triggers but
it's not clear what specifically allows this to happen.
Doug
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024, Damion Yates via Alpine-info wrote:
+1 on checking the IMAP server, this is a common setting for some because the
iPhone doesn't handle non-auto expunging on delete and it's the most common
IMAP client.
In GMail this is something you can enable/disable along with a variety of other settings,
like only showing the latest 1,000 or doing "archive" rather than delete
permanently.
- Damion
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 12:11 AM David Morris via Alpine-info
<alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:
Sorry about the previous content free reply ...
I'm running 2.26. My mail server and mail files are all on my local system
where I run Alpine. I have not of the Expunge settings SET and expunge
continues to work the way it always has ... it expunges when I use the
eXpunge command, not when I mark deleted.
If you are using a remote mail server, perhaps the provider changed
something. If you, like me, are using a local server, we continue to have
a mystery.
On Thu, 22 Aug 2024, Doug Luce via Alpine-info wrote:
> Those were some of the first settings I messed with. Setting both (or
> either) doesn't seem to make any difference -- 'd' results in an
EXPUNGE in
> all cases.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024, David Lang wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Aug 2024, Doug Luce via Alpine-info wrote:
> >
> > > Seems my Alpine (2.26, 4/9/2024) client has started automatically
> > > sending an EXPUNGE command after I mark a message deleted (in the
> > > INBOX). This wasn't always the case and I'm not sure when it
started but
> > > my guess is in the last month or two.
> > >
> > > I can't seem to find a setting that controls this and a quick
perusal of
> > > the source doesn't clue me in. Anyone know what I may have done to
> > > myself?
> >
> > under settings -> config look for:
> >
> > [X] Expunge Only Manually
> > [X] Expunge Without Confirming
> >
> > David Lang
> >
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