I submit, m'lud, that the fact that my learned opponent believed the concept of "intent" was in the previous rule version shows that "attempt", in a natural sense, coveys the sense of intent in the (unremoved) text.
On 6/18/2020 8:51 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > never mind, cant read. rest of argument still stands on ordinary meaning of > attempt in a criminal context. new common sense arguments: rules tend to > think intending anything you want is okay and criminalizing formal intent > is bad, see the No Faking rule (exempting intent) > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 1:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 6/18/2020 8:02 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Merely thinking and planning to commit murder isn't attempted murder, the >>> acts carried out have to be "more than merely preparatory" (under English >>> law). The same applies to this analogous crime, merely preparing to take >>> the ossifying action is not an attempt; attempt is actually doing an >> action >>> (even if that action fails, as it would ossify Agora). >>> >>> The thing my proposal had to do with it was that it removed the bit that >>> said "intending to do a forbidden art is a crime" (or whatever). For what >>> it's worth under the common sense factors, the fact that making a formal >>> intent to do an action that would ossify the game was specifically >> removed >>> from the rule means that it is unlikely the rule is meant to still >>> criminalize it. >>> >> >> Where's the "intent" bit in Rule 2617/0 I'm completely missing it: >> >> Rule 2617/0 (Power=1.0) >> Defense Against the Dark Arts >> >> A proposal is forbidden if it would, upon successfully taking >> effect, cause Agora to be ossified or to cease to exist. An >> action is forbidden if it would, upon its successful occurrence, >> cause Agora to be ossified or to cease to exist. >> >> Attempting a forbidden action is PROHIBITED, and is the Class-4 >> Crime of Engaging in Forbidden Arts. >> >> Submitting a forbidden proposal is PROHIBITED, and is the Class-1 >> Crime of Contemplating Forbidden Arts. >> >> Being the author of an adopted forbidden proposal is PROHIBITED, >> and is the Class-2 Crime of Suborning Forbidden Arts. >> >> Having a final ballot that evaluates to FOR in the Agoran decision >> on whether to adopt a forbidden proposal is PROHIBITED, and is the >> Class-1 Crime of Abetting Forbidden Arts. >> > >
