never mind, cant read. rest of argument still stands on ordinary meaning of attempt in a criminal context. new common sense arguments: rules tend to think intending anything you want is okay and criminalizing formal intent is bad, see the No Faking rule (exempting intent)
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 1:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/18/2020 8:02 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > Merely thinking and planning to commit murder isn't attempted murder, the > > acts carried out have to be "more than merely preparatory" (under English > > law). The same applies to this analogous crime, merely preparing to take > > the ossifying action is not an attempt; attempt is actually doing an > action > > (even if that action fails, as it would ossify Agora). > > > > The thing my proposal had to do with it was that it removed the bit that > > said "intending to do a forbidden art is a crime" (or whatever). For what > > it's worth under the common sense factors, the fact that making a formal > > intent to do an action that would ossify the game was specifically > removed > > from the rule means that it is unlikely the rule is meant to still > > criminalize it. > > > > Where's the "intent" bit in Rule 2617/0 I'm completely missing it: > > Rule 2617/0 (Power=1.0) > Defense Against the Dark Arts > > A proposal is forbidden if it would, upon successfully taking > effect, cause Agora to be ossified or to cease to exist. An > action is forbidden if it would, upon its successful occurrence, > cause Agora to be ossified or to cease to exist. > > Attempting a forbidden action is PROHIBITED, and is the Class-4 > Crime of Engaging in Forbidden Arts. > > Submitting a forbidden proposal is PROHIBITED, and is the Class-1 > Crime of Contemplating Forbidden Arts. > > Being the author of an adopted forbidden proposal is PROHIBITED, > and is the Class-2 Crime of Suborning Forbidden Arts. > > Having a final ballot that evaluates to FOR in the Agoran decision > on whether to adopt a forbidden proposal is PROHIBITED, and is the > Class-1 Crime of Abetting Forbidden Arts. > -- >From R. Lee
