On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> CFJ: R. Lee attempted to perform a forbidden action in the message in
> evidence.
>
> Barred: R. Lee
>
> Arguments:
>
> In reference to:
> Attempting a forbidden action is PROHIBITED, and is the Class-4
> Crime of Engaging in Forbidden Arts.
>
> We never really define "attempt" though we use it a lot in the rules.
> Generally, if you begin the prerequisites of a process to do something
> (i.e. announcing intent to perform an action in a legal way that begins a
> waiting period) a person would say you're "attempting" to do it. ("What
> was that announcement for?" "oh, e's attempting to win by apathy").
>
>
> [not part of the arguments: you're probably right, but I think it's
> enough of a possibility to call the case and it would be good to get a
> definition of "attempt" out of it - also I don't see what the proposal had
> to do with it you didn't amend that part, that I can see, maybe I'm being
> blind?].
>
> On 6/18/2020 7:34 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:
> > Lol, I just amended the forbidden arts rule to allow me to do this, so
> nice
> > try. It would require me to actually do the action (or attempt it) which
> I
> > can't do due to the objection.
> >
> > I didn't have any overarching objective with this message lol it was
> mainly
> > a Beaker joke.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:04 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
> > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I point the finger at R. Lee something something forbidden arts.
> >>
> >> (I may see something that you're up to waiting to see tho).
> >>
> >> Also, I object.
>
> Evidence:
> >>> I intend, without objection, to amed the rules in the following
> >>> inconsequential way:
> >>> Amend every word in the ruleset except the rules at power 4 to read
> >> "Meep"
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Merely thinking and planning to commit murder isn't attempted murder, the
acts carried out have to be "more than merely preparatory" (under English
law). The same applies to this analogous crime, merely preparing to take
the ossifying action is not an attempt; attempt is actually doing an action
(even if that action fails, as it would ossify Agora).
The thing my proposal had to do with it was that it removed the bit that
said "intending to do a forbidden art is a crime" (or whatever). For what
it's worth under the common sense factors, the fact that making a formal
intent to do an action that would ossify the game was specifically removed
from the rule means that it is unlikely the rule is meant to still
criminalize it.
--
>From R. Lee
