On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:28 PM Kerim Aydin <ke...@uw.edu> wrote: > > Comments inline. > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:47 PM Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > If a rule states that a person "achieves victory by X", it is to be > > > construed as meaning that mean that the specified person satisfies > > > the Winning Condition of X for a period of one month, beginning > > > at the specified time, or until e wins the game by X, whichever is > > > sooner. > > > The one month period is tolled (suspended) for so long as any CFJ > > > relating > > > substantially to the circumstances of the win is open and for one week > > > after > > > its closure. > > Too long - there's been plenty of times a win by X has happened twice > within a month, but as independent efforts. I also think it's really > messy to suspend the time period for CFJs - I don't see the need for > that.
I can shorten it to a week. As for CFJs: we need the delay if we expect people to wait until they're reasonably sure they've won. The old rule had a 28 day requirement, which was extended by calling, assigning, or judging a related CFJ. I think we can probably just ask people to announce victory and explain why it might not work though, in which case we don't need an extension. > > > > When a Victory Announcement ratifies, or a judgement confirming > > > the veracity of a victory announcement has been in effect and > > > unappealed for one week the person(s) Win the Game; specifically they > > > win the > > > Round that ends with the indicated win. Agora itself does not end and > > > the > > > ruleset remains unchanged. The game CANNOT be won in any other way, > > > rules to > > > the contrary notwithstanding. > > Far too cautious IMO. I think, for "clean" wins, it hurts the spirit > of winning and the game for everyone to sit on their hands for a week > waiting for a timer to expire. I'd suggest a couple options here. > One is using "With Notice but not if a CFJ is pending" which gives > people 4 days to start a CFJ. The other option is leaving it to the > discretion of the Herald - the Herald is required to verify the win or > initiate/point to a CFJ in a timely fashion. I like it being automatic. That said, I have no objection over shortening it to 4 days. > > > The Herald SHALL award the Patent Title Champion to any person > > > who wins the game, in a timely fashion the win. The > > > Herald SHOULD note the method of winning in eir report. > > "in a timely fashion the win" missing an "after"? Yeah, thanks. > > > > Any person who is included in an attempt to win the game, for the > > > purpose > > > of which attempt that person has either knowingly violated a rule, or > > > willingly and knowingly been a party to a rules violation, where that > > > violation is directly and materially responsible for circumstances > > > necessary > > > for or beneficial to that attempt, commits the Class-6 Crime of > > > Poor Sportsmanship, and furthermore satisfies the Losing Condition of > > > Bad Form > > > with respect the attempted victory. > > This runs into problems for longstanding, cumulative victories. Let's > say the level is 1,000 coins. A long time ago, I violated a rule and > got 10 coins as a result, and was punished for that in blots. But 990 > coins were fairly earned - I don't think the win should be blocked. Please note the "for the purpose of which attempt". Under that circumstance, I'd expect the ruling to be that the person couldn't possibly have been plotting the specific attempt at that time. Also, they could always just destroy 10 of their coins to make up for it, although that's harder for something like ribbons. If you have a cleaner fix for the problem, I'd be glad to hear it, but I think this solution will at least basically work, and it has the advantage of being both clean and simple. -Aris > > > > "Any player whose Fame has been either 10 or -10 for at least 2 days > > > satisfies the Winning Condition of Stellar Domination. Cleanup > > > Procedure: > > > The Victor's fame is reset to 0." > > "Stellar Domination" seems a bit long for the Scroll. (not a big > deal if you really like the name). > > > > > Amend Rule 2438, "Ribbons", by changing the text > > > "While a person owns all types of Ribbon, that person can Raise a > > > Banner by announcement. This causes that person to win the game. > > > That person's Ribbon Ownership becomes the empty set." > > > to read > > > "While a person owns all types of Ribbon, that person satisfies the > > > Winning Condition of Renaissance. Cleanup Procedure: The Victor's > > > ribbon ownership becomes the empty set." > > Right now you already destroy Ribbons to win. You've left the Coins > and Balloons as "pay to win" so those are self-cleaning. Why not keep > this one as "destroy to win" to match? (I also rather like the Raise > the Banner color in this one). > > > > > Amend Rule 2464, "Tournaments", by changing the text "win the game" to > > > "achieve victory by Contest". > > I just noticed a bug in Tournaments: It has a provision for when a > tournament concludes with no winner, but nothing actually says that a > tournament concludes when someone wins! (are some of those past > tournaments still going on?) Fortunately your method has an easy fix: > "Cleanup procedure: the Tournament concludes".
