I agree. You are not required to show what you are tracking as part of
your pledge. However, if I allege (via finger-pointing) that you have
failed in your task, the Referee is required to make a finding of fact
on whether you are indeed doing the tracking.
So I have alleged that you have failed, and it's simply up the Referee
to determine if the facts on the ground that you are doing what you
pledged.
If it was a simple and doable pledge "I pledge to jump up and down", and
you didn't provide evidence, then you'd be in the clear. The Referee
would say "it's very conceivable that e jumped up and down, I can't
prove beyond a reasonable doubt that e didn't."
But if the task is practically impossible, then e can say "it is beyond a
reasonable doubt that e has failed. The overwhelming evidence is that
e failed, because the task is impossible, so unless sufficient evidence
is supplied to show e is doing the task, e is guilty".
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> Aha! I was ready for this.
>
> I am required to track - but not to show what I'm tracking! These are
> unreasonable demands!
>
> Now, please leave me alone as I perform my godly duty, there's a lot to
> track out there.
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:34 AM D Margaux <dmargaux...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think that once a person have been punished for breaking a pledge, the
> > > pledge is done (as e can't be punished twice, there's no requirement
> > > anymore). So the result of the finger-point, if e is punished, is to end
> > > the pledge. (Whether this is true is a general question about pledges,
> > > maybe CFJ-worthy).
> >
> > Maybe, maybe not. After all, in the minutes that have elapsed since your
> > pointed finger, a great many new things have happened that CuddleBeam
> > failed to track. So perhaps players can continue to point eir fingers at
> > CuddleBeam for new violations of eir pledge until e is forcibly
> > deregistered... :-)
> >
> > I cause nichdel to Point eir Finger at Cuddle Beam for failing to track a
> > bunch more things in the time that elapsed since G. Pointed eir Finger.
> >
> > > On Oct 1, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > >> I pledge the following: I pledge to be the recordkeepor of absolutely
> > >> everything.
> > >
> > > Clever! Really, really clever. I like this.
> > >
> > > I act on behalf of Gaelan to publish:
> > > Notice of Honour
> > > +1 CuddleBeam (for taking the burden of tracking my bank balance from
> > me).
> > > -1 Ouri (more karma decay for zombies)
> > >
> > > I point my finger at CuddleBeam for Oathbreaking (breaking the above
> > > Pledge), as e is not tracking absolutely everything.
> > >
> > > I think that once a person have been punished for breaking a pledge, the
> > > pledge is done (as e can't be punished twice, there's no requirement
> > > anymore). So the result of the finger-point, if e is punished, is to end
> > > the pledge. (Whether this is true is a general question about pledges,
> > > maybe CFJ-worthy).
> > >
> > > I think it is beyond a reasonable doubt that e isn't keeping records. I
> > > believe being "recordkeepor of X", by common definition, requires em to
> > > actually keep records. As the claim is so extraordinary, the burden of
> > > proof is on em, not us. I invite em to prove me wrong. To do so, I have
> > > SHA-512 hashed the current balance of my checking account (plus some
> > > salt that's not part of the record):
> > >
> > > ccd0019a73ade101456525ef141cf6f65e5627bbfcae82d2b18c326382b2ee1a
> > > 7284ac8cb3649ffbf5c36794779931acfabf1ef97e1b932ba3dd6fc615979454
> > >
> > > If e is tracking this, e can publish what it is, and e is invited to
> > > demonstrate.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
