On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 12:57 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > I'd have attempted to use the scam to close itself if I could think of > > a way to do so (either it fails, no big deal, nothing happens; or it > > succeeds and thus there isn't a scam now), but I don't think there is a > > way to use the scam to close itself; it's just not powerful enough. > > Actually, on reflection I'm really surprised at you making this statement. > Apparently the ability to cancel other players' ballots is dangerous > enough to require the installation of a month-long dictatorship "for > Agora's Protection", but the ability to ratify votes isn't...
Cancelling other players' ballots, with good timing, allows you to pass arbitrary proposals. Using this to change votes isn't something I simply hadn't thought of, although I agree that it probably works. That does push this into "we need to fix this immediately by any means possible" territory (see my message to a-b, which should close the loophole if and only if it actually exists). > note: I think we have a fairly well-established set of precedents on > limited causality. If a ratification changes votes, which then lead > to a proposal being adopted, and the proposal changes the rules, it's > not the ratification that "caused" the rule change, it's the proposal > (this is necessary by R105 as it's the instrument - the proposal - > which has to cause the change). So R2202 is actually not as protective > as all that. -- ais523
