> On Jul 20, 2017, at 10:33 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 19:19 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> I agree with this carding. CuddleBeam has repeatedly shown that e
>> cares neither about the feelings of the other players, nor about the
>> interests of the game. As the player who spoke most strongly in eir
>> support when this whole mess started, I believe this obligation falls
>> on me. I intend, with 2 support, to Throw the Book at CuddleBeam.
> 
> Huh, I just read what a Red Card actually does, and it feels fairly
> minor for what's described as one of our largest punishments. Being
> unable to effectively vote for one voting cycle is a fairly short
> punishment. IIRC back when we had the Chokey, the most similar former
> punishment I'm aware of, it halved voting power for a month. Several
> other systems would have created negative assets that required
> expending positive assets to get rid of.

An unexpended Yellow Card zeroes (rather than penalizing) voting strength for 
up to 30 days. In many ways, they’re a more severe punishment, as well as being 
a more interesting one. If nichdel’s reforms don’t pass for some non-trivial 
reason, it’s something I’d be interested in fixing.

> Of course, in these days of Referee fiat, it's possibly for the best
> that we don't have any particularly punishments. Perhaps we can change
> that once criminal justice reform goes through.

Agoran consent should absolutely be an element of any serious punishment.

> (Note that this isn't to say that I believe CuddleBeam deserves a
> larger punishment in this particular case; there are way bigger
> potential breaches than this one, so the relatively small punishment
> that's being applied in this particular case seems reasonably
> proportionate and fair.)


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