On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> A pledge MAY be considered broken if the pledgor does > > Using MAY here is grammatically odd to me. Do you mean "might"? > Or do you mean (using the definition of MAY) that it is not against > the rules to "perform the action" of considering the pledge to be > broken, whatever that means? I do mean the Mother, May I definition of MAY. I wanted to capture the idea that pledges to do things must be completed in a timely fashion without overly constraining pledges to _only_ be pledges to do things, or to impose a MUST/SHALL constraint on others to enforce a pledge. On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, omd <c.ome...@gmail.com> wrote: > Under past rules, that would have implied that it's illegal to > consider a pledge broken in other circumstances - thoughtcrime :) That’s by design. Pledges are very open-ended things, and I wanted to keep that. I tried to structure this proposed rule to allow for that, while still capturing Quazie’s attempt to impose a time limit on unfulfilled pledges. I’ve also normalized “is a cardable offence” to use the same SHALL framework as other cardable offences, and attempted to answer the question of whether non-player pledges are binding directly. On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Other comment: pledges may often have their own time limits, so > the timely manner should be a default, not an override as written. I was hoping that using MAY here would allow that, but it does rely on everyone else not to jump on the first opportunity to Point Fingers. I’ve a fair degree of faith in my fellow Agorans to abide by the spirit of most pledges, and to resort to rules-lawyering only when necessary (or when it’s funny). > Minor nit: "pledgor" is ugly. That tradition for Office names need not > be extended to words that have correctly-spelled words like pledger > already. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pledgor <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pledgor> However, I agree - just not strongly enough to withdraw the proposal and resubmit it on my own. Want to split the cost? -o
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