On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:54 AM, CuddleBeam <cuddleb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> @ais523: Super. Thank you! I'll try to make a sufficiently eloquent but also > concise and easy-to-use definition of what kind of cases I find myself more > suitable for, but it's definitely the more philosophical kind, because I will > go above and beyond to give it a better answer than just "it's irrelevant to > gameplay". > > > (Like goddamn, ambiguity and concerns of language and meaning are PRECISELY a > big reason why we have CFJs in the first place to get clarity, I believe. Why > wouldn't "ambiguity" itself be extremely relevant! It's a cornerstone in this > nomic! It's the soil we're all standing on! Aaaah!) > > Ambiguity and language are a big reason why we have CFJs. They're also specifically given judicial precedence in a number of CFJs in the past--975, 1439, 1460, and recent CFJs 3499 and 3500. The soil we stand on is not untilled; there are 20 years worth of other players' work that give us the foundation to answer these seemingly obtuse philosophical questions quickly. Does that mean we don't have as many hard philosophical questions to answer? Sure. But it also means that the philosophical questions we DO get to answer are much more challenging and rewarding. @Nic Evans: Yes. I'm still a rookie, so all I ask for is patience as I attempt to make a better result. > > > I find the use of the term "Agoran" a bit curious though. Even if I do make > CFJs in a way that is perceived to be incorrect, I am (part of) Agora now > too. So that would, while perceived to be deviant, now contribute to what > makes things actually "Agoran". > > > In fact, someone absolutely psychotic but with good faith could join and > honestly submit/judge CFJs as cookie recipes, and now part of Agora is > entirely seriously considering CFJs to be cookie recipes (as seriously as you > may consider that CFJs should be done in the usual way that real life law > does it). And in a dystropian case, plenty of that kind of mentally ill > people could join, and then, what would be Agoran, would be to have CFJ be > cookie recipes. > > That's why we have the appeal system. Agora and nomics in general advance based on the will of consensus, even in the CFJ framework. There may always be a "part" of Agora that seeks to interpret the Ruleset in the most obtuse way possible, but that won't become precedent unless there is consensus about those obtuse interpretations. Agora also has the Red Card specifically for when those events occur. That's part of why Referee is an office; so an established player with the best for the game in mind can prevent mass vote manipulation and bad faith actions that would not treat Agora Right Good. Then again, if your dystropian all decided to become cookie recipe psychos, I could hook you up with my favorites... On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Quazie <quazieno...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well bad judgments can be overturned - so the cookie recepies likely > wouldn't stand.... > > Unless: > > I CFJ on the following statement: > > 'The judge assigned to this CFJ will be kind enough to include eir > favorite cookie recipe in eir judgment.' > Right on cue. I request to be assigned this CFJ, and I will withdraw that request if Cuddlebeam wishes to be assigned this CFJ. (this post is too informal for a public forum and thus a legitimate pledge, so consider this a casual promise.) -grok
