On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, omd wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> > Without definition, gamestate is the whole game as of now.  Anything needed
> > to interpret its current and future behavior is part of that state.
> 
> If that's true, the state also includes, say, the content of every
> message that will ever be sent in the future

Past only.  future clearly not included.

>                                              ; or even the entire state
> of the universe, as a rule could hypothetically be enacted that refers
> to whether I was wearing a hat last Friday.

Or a rule could be enacted that required, say, reading a certain telephone 
directory.  You never know.  But until said rule is enacted, such a thing
is IRRELEVANT, which is a nice dividing line.

> I think it's more reasonable to say that Agora is not a closed system,
> but one that interacts with its environment-- in physics terms, at
> least; I guess in math terms that makes it not a system at all.

Sure, it's called a leaky system (sometimes called a dissipative system).

Anyway, a more common sense approach is that, in the absence of defining
terms, it includes "past and currently regulated and not IRRELEVANT" facts 
which includes the datestamps and fora-of-receipt of past public messages 
(regulated due to publicity rules).

-G.


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