On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:24 PM, ais523 <callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 23:19 -0500, omd wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:15 PM, ais523 <callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> > On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 23:04 -0500, omd wrote: >> >> > Making incorrect statements is one issue. Attempting to ratify them is >> >> > another. I don't think they're the same crime, and indeed, you could be >> >> > punished for both. >> >> >> >> Pretty damn similar: if I hadn't intended to ratify the document, >> >> publishing it and claiming it was true wouldn't be a R2215 violation >> >> even if the document were false because it wouldn't be game-relevant. >> > >> > Arguments, CFJ 2926a: >> > >> > If one person had published a knowingly incorrect document and claimed >> > it was true, and a different player had attempted to ratify it (also >> > knowing it was incorrect), and the document itself was a statement about >> > the effects of the Agoran ruleset, which (if either) would violate >> > R2215? Which (if either) would violate R2202? To me, the only sane >> > answer is that the first would violate R2215 but not R2202, and the >> > second would violate R2202 but not R2215, because the two illegal >> > actions are entirely separate. Presumably you have something else in >> > mind? >> >> Well, it depends on whether the idea of the document being ratified is >> considered excessively hypothetical. > > I see hardly any difference between claiming "ehird is the Ambassador" > and "the document 'ehird is the Ambassador' is correct", regardless of > if the document in question is ever ratified, or indeed whether > ratification exists at all. Note that attempting to ratify a document > doesn't claim, for the purposes of R2215, that it's correct.
If the document is not likely to be ratified (which, if I hadn't intended to ratify it and implied I was going to use a scam to force the ratification through, would be a good assumption) what would happen if it is ratified is not really important. So the first person would not be committing a crime, although sending an identical message after the intent would be a crime.
