I had a VoIP customer cancel and switch to Ooma Office.  When I went to 
retrieve the Grandstream phones, their new phones from Ooma were ... 
Grandstream.

Just my opinion, but if this customer insists that only Cisco phones are real 
phones, it sounds like what women would call a "red flag" on a first date.  
Only the first of many worldview clashes in a relationship that isn't going to 
work.

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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2025 12:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Desk VoIP Phones

We've been using grandstream phones for quite a while, cheap and easy to 
provision.  One of my new business customers is making a stink because 'he's 
never heard of Grandstream, these phones just don't work with my bluetooth 
headset, I NEED a Cisco phone because that's a real phone' I'm thinking that 
it's mainly about ego, that his friends probably have Cisco phones on their 
desks, and he doesn't, so he's making up issues.

I haven't used Cisco phones in many years, Linksys SPA504G's were my last 
dabble into non-grandstream phones.

It looks like a Cisco phone with Bluetooth (A requirement) is about $550 for an 
8851.  How do you provision those?  Is there any sort of cloud provisioning?  
Still done with TFTP?   Put some sort of call manager on site?  I really like 
that I can provision the Grandstream phones while they are behind the customers 
firewall without having to do any port forwarding etc.  Cisco always used to 
like Licensing, is that still the case to use them with normal SIP, or are they 
all SIP now.

Just wondering if it's worth trying to investigate Cisco phones for this one 
customer, or if Cisco phones really want a Cisco Callmanager on the backend.


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